"Talking to media persons in Dhangadhi today, Prachanda said that the beating up of a businessman by Maoist cadres had been blown out of proportions." He also slammed one who runs hotel business by saying hoteliers are. "feudalistic and disgraceful. He also alleged business enterprenuers as royalist who are responsible for current shutdown of business.

Did he mean beating of a businessman, extortion is very normal and it should not be taken seriously.

Prachanda blamed the King ? Really? I wonder...what a surprise !!

Chana tarkari,

Right now it is the 21st century and you probably will not agree but capitalism drives everything. Even maoist are driven by capitalism that is why they extort money at every chance they get. If businessmen have to pay donations to the maoists for fear of their lives it's the MAOISTS who are to blame.

You don't take the maoist rhetorics to blame the businessmen for donating to the Maoists!

I'm not saying businessmen are the messiah or for that matter I am not claiming anyone to be the messiah. All i'm claiming is that the Maoists are the scum bags of this earth who use weapons to scare common ordinary citizens to loot them of their earnings, beat them like animals.

Businessmen may have agenda of making money as you have said but business in itself means you provide something with the intent of making money. Such businesses run the economy. Sometimes because of inept governments, straight working businessmen have to bribe officials to get some work done, and also there will be few businessmen who are involved in deception, just like there are few criminals in any society.

BUT, for an organized political party with access to weaponry, to stoop so low as to indiscriminately beat up public unarmed citizen, that is the most shameful thing that such a party is in the government and even thinking of winning the majority in the polls. If these maoists are able to let the elections happen, they will win the majority votes by using extortion and their rule of the gun, beating up/killing anyone who dissents. Once they win, you can only imagine what they will do.

It is a shame that the government sits quietly while the Maoists are getting involved in extreme public harrassment. The Maoists who have misled the majority villagers with dreams of riches are finally setting them loose in the city to collect the riches they had been promised. If these leaders were able to deliver their promises of riches in a moral and legal manner it would have been all fine and good. But their way of acquiring money by victimizing other common citizens under the gun just shows what kind of hypocrites they are.

At this point anyone trying to take the focus away from the maoist atrocities cannot be trusted. We don't need or deserve these maoists treating other nepalis like animals.

Channa_Tarkari,
I agree with you on the fact that when poor people from villages get beheaded or chopped into pieces, no one raises their voice, yet when an elite businessman gets beaten up, everyone goes for protest. A life is a life, whether of poor or rich. May be it is this kind of a fact that drives poor towards joining the Maoists, ironically.
But at the same time, it is a hard fact of life that when people from the higher social order get involved, things start to change, everywhere. Take Jane Fonda for example for Vietnam War. So accept this hard fact and move on.

I dont agree with chana tarkari. Do you think maoist beat the businessman because they make black money ? Absolutely not. Maoist beat him because he didn't give money when they intimidated.

Secondly, do you think moaist have only extorted the rich businessman. They haven't even left the small businessman, middle and lower class from extortion.

And at least the people are getting together against maoist. And we should support the businessman.

I definitely see that chana tarkari has valid point about if villagers are getting mass murdered not much demostration, yet a beating of businessman created such hue and cry. But instead of just saying that that high profile beating gets such big news, shouldn't we be saying whats wrong with our system. There are so many defects with our system in Nepal yet so few and willing to do. All anyone does these days is give speeches and annouce a bandh these days. The situation is so bad that you can witness people breaking the law in front of the policeman and he won't do anything about it.

About bribery, yes the businessmen did give in but think of it this way. You are the head of a company, one of your staff is taking bribes to do the work you already paid him. The customer might gather courage to tell you once, to tell you twice but if you turn a deaf ear to him, what will he do? Add to that threats to kill you and your family, what do you do?

You should try doing business in Nepal sometimes, run a factory and see how easy it is. You go to bank to get your loan, the bank makes you sign a piece that states you are criminal even before you get the loan. Thanks to the non-existant company act in Nepal, the law does not differentiate between you or the company. Therefore, the company's liability becomes your personal liability. Black listing anyone? Then you go on to build your factory, but hey you need to get a license or government approval to operate your company. Key word government here, low paid officials sees money walking through the door. Do you pay bribe to the officials or do you complain to top people. You complain once, a month goes bye, you complain a second time, three months pass bye, nothing happening, small article in the newspaper may appear depending whether newspaper people like you. You get call, its the bank, it wants its interest. So what do you do? Pay the official Rs. 5000 and get your factory running or wait another 3 months and pay Rs. 15000 to the banks for interest. No brainer right.
So your factory is running, you have 200 odd employees, three months pass and they have unionzed. Don't think about your American or western unions, these are your political labour unions. Congress is in government, UML declares bandhs, one half of your labour force doesn't come to work. Then UML is in the government, you get the picture. So with half your production, you managed to sell but oh no not enough money (the bank will get its interest and taxes are paid no matter what) to pay employees. You tell your workers, oh no another strike. A month passes by, giving in you pay the bank, you pay your taxes and your workers. Stuck between the devil and the deep blue sea. Can't close the factory because workers won't let you and neither will the political parties. Can't layoff workers because Labour Courts always side with the workers and laying them off avoiding the law has a high price which you do not have money to pay with. Banks calling you up, jail, blacklisting. The last option seems to be just running the factory.

Two years down the road, factory doing ok but hey who are these red folks, Maobadis?
They want donation, you report to the government. They ask you again, you again report to the government but no reaction. One day, boom...a bomb has gone off in your factory, the Maobadi say your family will be next and also next time it just won't be a part of your factory. I guess donations will follow openly from that moment onwards because Maobadi aren't just people with words but people with action. Lets see now your family has been threatened, your bleeding money, can't close the factory because now the workers are dependent on the factory in this bleak economy. So donations to Maobadi, tax to government who doesn't provide you with protection, bank interests (yes, they just declared they had bumper profit year), paying your workers and what is this, even though your factory is not operational due to the bomb blast, you have to pay minimum charge to the electric and water companies. Just bleeding money. You ask for help, maobadi increase their donations because they think you are helping the government, government increases tax because it doesn't have money, banks and utilities companies don't really care because they don't have to. Loss for you, profit for everyone else.
So in this really wonderful business environment, when surviving is your main objective, hard to think of democracy and all those other wonderful rights. Threatened, bombed, ignored, doesn't mean you give up living. You, your family and those 200 workers, what do you do?
Money certainly doesn' grow on trees. I bet even the interet you are using requires you to pay money. If you earn money, its probably from a business somewhere. Whats so bad with greed, it is a human nature. You take away a child's favorite toys and he/she starts crying. So what's so bad about making money? The failure of communism is thinking that they can make everyone the same. But inequality is a fact of nature, one place has flood, other has drought. Siberia is icy cold while Sahara is burning hot. What if you are an inch taller then me, do I cut a few inches from you? The beauty about America, is the law and order. It attempts to treat everyone equal and there are people enforcing it. Enforcing it gives people courage to report it too.
We can go on pointing fingers but we need to do something about it. Action speaks louder then words.

This is a politics of Nepal. aafno aang ko jumra nadekhane , aarka ko aang ko matri dekhane.

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bhusan,
I agree with you while speaking up against maoist attrocities. But when I hear one saying "anyone trying to take the focus away from the maoist atrocities cannot be trusted." that simply distracts me, cauze' there are many elements who are (and were) promoting maoist without really being part of them (e.g. current government). How can I trust them too?

bidhan40,
Answers to your question are already there in previous posts. I did not ask stopping support current move led by business circle but just revealed some facts that simply tell you that "Dukha paais Mangale Aafnai Dhangale" because the business community are the one that was and is financing maoist on regular basis from the past.

helpless.
your story (I tell this a list of ground truth) makes one clear how crap system is installed in nepal that suffocates an ordinary and honest business man to the death (both financially and mentally). Those are genuine issues to discuss with governing bodies (including parties, central and local governments, service providers like bank and utilities etc.) and establish a good system finding solutions of the problems which ultimately benefits the entire economy. But, I have never heard of any business tycoons or their clubs discussing about such genuine issues and placing them before public for broader discussion. Business community always chose a short-term solutionin the past, usually handshaking with some donations under the table and trying to please everybody (including royalists, parties, maoists and local gundas) but never thought of correcting the voids in the system. We witnessed that a successful businessman is not the one who speaks or works for a transparent system but the one who is smart to play foul games of bribes, false business practice and collapse big industrial network. Maoist benefited from that void and went too far on extorting everybody. Now this is the wakeup call for the business community as well, if they do not take initiation to correct the system they will suffer more than else. Maoist may be a prime culprit in unlawful extortion but they are not the only one, that is the point to note.

And here, people attempt portraying that these business tycoons are in street for protecting the right of common citizen and to end lawlessness in the country, which is largely false. Had they been not ignored by PM and other ministers, had they been allowed to contact top class leaders anytime they want to speak, had they been assured to entertain previlages like in the past regimes, they would never come to speak for any of the problems that a common citizen faces in the country. This is why I don't trust them.

Two wrongs does not make a RIGHT !! Enough SAID !

Chana Tarkari, You keep writing about how you don't trust the businessmen. Does it mean you support the Maoists?

What do you think is worse? Armed Maoists beating up , extorting money, kidnapping, looting, harassing common unarmed nepali people, creating lawlessness and insecurity in the society and country as a whole? or Businessmen who try to make some money by selling goods and services - some of whom perhaps have had resorted to illegal means to make some money but mostly does not include beating up anyone, use of force, kidnapping?

I'd really appreciate if you could answer the above question with either "maoist" or "businessmen". Who is worse?

Chana Tarkari States"If you want to forget that root cause that I am referring by recalling how these greedy business community supported maoist in one way or another, under the name of threat/security or under the name of smooth business, then you are not truly standing against the unlawful extortion, be it maoist or any other forces."

ha ha ha STAND UP TO WHOM ? CHANA !! TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THREATENING YOUR LIFE, FAMILY, YOUR LIVELIHOOD ? WHO DO YOU GOTO CHANA TARKARI ? THE COPS ? HE HE WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO ? GO ARREST THOSE THUGS ? THE COPS MIGHT GET BEAT UP INSTEAD. Tell me one thing Chana if they really are greedy businessmen why the fug would they let anyone extort money from them(does not seem like a characterstics of a greedy businessman).

What has prevented these businessmen to ban unlawful bribe and donation or bring them into a transparent system? But they never want to do so. why? Who boosted the morale of begging maoists in the past? We must not forget that unless we don't set up a system to watch all kind of cash-flows through legal and illegal channels, we won't be able to control such forceful extortion. No need to mention here, the business community is the largest resistance in the country to set up such system. For the time being maoist are riding over it, and business community is in the mission of winning public sympathy.

WHAT HAS PREVENTED THEM BANNING UNLAWFUL BRIBES AND DONATION ? HE HE YOU LOGIC IS ALL SCREWD UP. THEY ARE TRYING TO CONDUCT A BUSINESS NOT FIX PROBLEMS IN THE LESGILATIVE SYSTEM. ITS IS THE GOVERMENTS JOB TO OVERLOOK SUCH PROBLEMS. NOW WHY WOULD A LOGICAL PERSON LIKE YOU GO BLAME THE BUSINESSMEN FOR INCOMPETENCY OF THE GOVERMNET ? DO U REALLY THINK BUSINESS COMMUNITY LIKES BRIBING GOVT. OFFICIALS ON TOP OF PAYING BHANSAAR AND TAXES ? AS FOR WINING PUBLIC SUPPORT ... HE HE WE SHALL SEE.

"Otherwise common citizen were crying against such extortion since long time ago, which was never heard in the past by concerned authorities as seriously as it is being heard now. "
YEAH IAM ONE OF THEM. BUT HAVE NEITHER GOVRNMENT OF THE POLITICIAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT THAT IS WHY THEY ARE OUT IN THE STREETS. BECAUSE THE INCOMPETANT PEOPLE RUNNING THE COUNTRY HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

Saroj,

Answers to your question is already there in previous posts.

Chana tarkari

Your answer only shows how you are used to sidelining the main issues and throwing focus on other topics. Which is what I have been accusing maoists of doing all the time.

Why don't you answer my simple question straight for a change if you can.

Prachanda should Step Down, as he has not been able to do anyting Good.
All the Propogandas, and failing to control his men.
Not being able to win nepalis people's faith
and who can forget the lives of 14,000+

Saroj,

I don't know what you are accusing to maoist, but I am accusing them for being responsible to bring extreme order of lawlessness. I am also accusing others who fueled these criminal minded maoists to cross all sort of limitations. I dismiss your accusation of being used to sideline main issue because digging the root cause of any problem is never considered as sidelining as you tell because that surfaces out a broader perspective rather than observing it through a narrow slit as you prefer to do. You can not replicate Bush-language - if you are not with me you are with terrorist - on this regard. I term them dictator-minded people who prefer going for superficial observation rather than a broader perspective.


BC,

The only difference I see with you is that you consider the business commodity as individual people, but they are not. They and their clubs must exercise their influence to correct problem with the system before getting it too worse to prove them more responsible toward country and society (here, they have failed). Although they are not legislative, you understand they (can) play vital role in setting government policies that affects country's economy, which has direct link with security and good governance as well.

Chana tarkari why do you have such a problem answering one simple question?

What do you think is worse? Armed Maoists beating up , extorting money, kidnapping, looting, harassing common unarmed nepali people, creating lawlessness and insecurity in the society and country as a whole? or Businessmen who try to make some money by selling goods and services - some of whom perhaps have had resorted to illegal means to make some money but mostly does not include beating up anyone, use of force, kidnapping?

I'd really appreciate if you could answer the above question with either "maoist" or "businessmen". Who is worse?

CHANA TARKARI STATES"But my argument is that there is no need to portray the situation as if business tycoon are the messiah to confront against the lawlessness neither is Hari an ordinary individual. To some degree, these are the people who are responsible to boost up maoist attrocities"

CHANA I DON'T THINK THE GUYS WHO GOT BEAT UP ARE TRYING TO GET SYMPATHY OR NEITHER IS HE TRYING TO PORTRAY HIMSELF A MESSIAH. THE GUY GOT BEAT UP FOR CRYING OUT LOUD... I DON'T THINK HE IS ASKING FOR YOUR PATHETIC SYMPATHY....HE WANTS JUSTICE AND I WANT JUSTICE TOO.
I SURE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW THE LIKES OF HARI BOOST MAOIST ATROCITIES ? ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT BUSINESSMEN ARE WILLING PAYING THESE EXTORTIONS WHEN THEY ARE BARELY MAKING ENDS MEET ?(thanks to all the Nepal bandh) ?

Being aware of malicious intention of business leaders, and being aware that these leaders could end up their protests at any point for their vested interests (no matter whether or not the maoists stop atrocities against common people in the coming days); I support these business leaders until they keep speaking for peace, progress and reiforcing of basic law and order. We will get to see how much honest are these business leaders in the coming days. My gut-feeling says, these business tycoons will soon stop talking against maoist atrocities once they get a good chat and dinner with leaders, to confirm that these tycoons won't be touched by low-class cadres but be dealt directly by higher ranked caders. On the other hand, common citizen who are now in street following them will continue to face maoist atrocities in one way or another

MALICIOUS INTENTIONS OF BUSINESS LEADERS FOR STOPING THEIR PROTESTS ? MIND YOU THEY ARE BUSINESSMEN....OF COURSE THEY ARE GOING TO PROTECT THEIR VESTED INTERESTS..... THEY ARE THERE FOR PROFIT NOT SOCIAL SERVICE. HONEST BUSINESSMEN ? YEAH THEY ARE TAX PAYING ENTREPRENEURS WHO ARE THERE FOR PROFIT. HOW CAN YOU BLAME THEM FOR BRIBE SEEKING GOVT OFFICIALS ? THEY HAVE TO BRING THEIR GOODS AND COMMODITIES IN THE COUNTRY, I MEAN ITS EITHER BRIBE THE OFFICIALS OR LOSE THEIR ENTIRE CURRENT SHIPMENT. IF THEY ARE NOT ORDINARY CITIZENS THAN I DUNNO WHO ARE ? HE HE

The only difference I see with you is that you consider the business commodity as individual people, but they are not. They and their clubs must exercise their influence to correct problem with the system before getting it too worse to prove them more responsible toward country and society (here, they have failed). Although they are not legislative, you understand they (can) play vital role in setting government policies that affects country's economy, which has direct link with security and good governance as well.

Well I was talking about the guy who got beat up(he is an individual person seeking Justice). Them and their clubs must excercise their influence to correct problems ? huh !! How ? You are looking for wrong solutions instead of holding the bribe seeking government officials accountable. THATS WHERE YOUR PROBLEM IS NOT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. Now you want businessmen to be social workers too ? he he How have they failed the society and community ? GOVERNMENT POLICIES ARE SET BY POLITICIANS AND LAWYERS NOT BUSINESS COMMUNITY. ITS NOT THEIR FAULT THAT WE HAVE AN INCOMPTENT GOVERNMENT, FLOUNDERING POLITICIANS, AND POLITICAL PARTY LEADERS.

This photo tells what is going to happen next?

Now that is for us to see ain't it ? I don't know what is going happen in next half 'n hour. You must a psychic then huh !! he he Maybe you should open up a psychic hotline !! ha ha ha

Maoists cannot make peace with the businessmen because they have to resort to extortion, looting, robbery, harassment in order to make money. Although they might smile to make peace for now, they will begin to target the businessmen again little by little. Then again the businessmen will boil and make another Protest and the cycle continues till either the maoists have completely scared the businessmen group into compliance or the businessmen group rises with their money and stage an all out revolution against the maoists.

The question is do we want to wait till the cycle keeps getting repeated again and again? The same cycle that was implemented under the kings rule. These maoists have time and again promised peace but their action is showing that peace is not their priority. They have even lied to the UN weapons inspectors. They have lied to the US embassy regarding false assassination attempt. They have lied to Nepali people regarding fake evidence of royal plan to kill government officials.

How much lies are we going to take? Maoists are not to be trusted and they don't deserve any position in Nepali government - with their brutal and savage ways. They should be sent back to the jungle where they came from. Their logics and ways are not suitable for a 21st century civilized government.