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 Democracy in Hinduism

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Posted on 07-07-02 10:10 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Hinduism is the most democratic of all forms of worship in the world. That is why there are so many branches with Hinduism and a hindu is free to choose his own line of worship.

Hinduism cannot not be defined as a religion as is practised in the west. In the eastern culture sages have devised and preached the way of living. Be it Hinduism, Buddihsm or other chineese,persian culture the way of living is of great importance.

Hinduism does not seek to gather large groups of people in order to impress them. Hinduism is a private affair of each of its practitioners. Each individual has to find his/her own way of living. The sages and their writings guide us in our endeavours.

The hindu writings in the form of puran, ved, and epics such as "MahaBharat" and "Ramayan" seek to guide us in choosing the right path.

The caste system is another interesting aspect of Hinduism. Hinduism has 4 major castes and at one time people were free to go from one caste to another. It is just like changing jobs in todays world.

But with the passage of time some unscrupulous and powerful people made the caste system rigid disallowing an individual in changing his/her caste. And while people could be demoted to the so-called lower caste the reverse was not possible. The original Hinduism did not classify people into high class or low class but just into caste system.

The western missionaries and muslims have tried to exploit this misunderstanding to their own advantage to increase their own ranks.

Even today we notice that if a son takes on the job of the father it is more likely that s/he will succeed. This was specially true at that historical time when the system of education was different. People have started to realize that that system is better than the present imported western education.
 
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While Teaching My Daughter To Read Maps
Vijaya Malla

Boundaries are here drawn with sanguine blood
Like ridges raised around the farms
Look! around the expanses of each and every nation
This is India, this is Pakistan,
And this is the line sublime
Soaked in blood of the Hindu and the Mussulman.
This is Germany, this is England,
This is Russia, this is Japan,
And there are Nagashaki and Hiroshima
Ravaged by atom bomb!
This is the skeleton of Europe,
Haunted by Hitler's ghost.
This is America,
The nation of dollars,
The inventor of atom bomb,
And message of peace.

Look anywhere you like,
You will see the blood sanguine making an enclosure
Where-in the men are imprisoned
Like pigeons shut in a cage.
Daughter dear!
(A day will come)
When all will join together,
Holding hands,
Bound in an embrace tight -
The Negroes, the Aryans, the Mongols,
The Polynesians, the Dravidians and the Kols,
Everything is wiping out,
Turning their eye-cups upside down,
Those lines of blood
With their tears..

Then ,
After ages -
Some day will come
When inspite of searches long
You won't find these red lines there.


Translated by: anonymous
 
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(1) Danger Tool for corruption:
A pundits (Priest) do cultivate land or farming anything, he just read old conservative philosophy and do daily practices based on book. He goes to poor and desperate framers home and asks for pray to good for good health and wealth. Then, Priest asks farmer to give healthy cow, bulls, gold, money, textiles and food to donate him as god's will or make happy to god. And poor farmer do whatever priest asked for. Farmer already poor but these activities make him the poorest.

(2) Evil and Dirty theory: In Hindu, religion you have to do sacrifice to different animal to different gods and goodness. There is no animal right. There is no civilization. You have to pray to "Shiva Ling". Shiva means (God of creator and destroyer) and Ling means " male sexual organ ". This is not ethical practice. In holy festival Thij, all women have to go to Pashupati and will pray in Indian Jogies and yogi's pennies.

(3) Unrealistic: In Hindu holy books, written in what yogis or priests thought that is god or goodness. If you read Hindu holy book, you can find all kind of flying, killing, fighting, kidnapping, Rapping, looting etc.

(4) Creation of corrupted Social and culture:
In Hindu religion culture, Farmer must do only cultivate land and only do farming. Farmer must not go to school and read book, and must not learn read and write. So the truth is that if farmer and lower poor people go to school and learn read and write means, Priest will loose income.

(5) No democratic, No human/ animal right, No equality, No justice:
In Hindu religion, women must not go to school. If she goes to school, she will be witch. Women only do serve as a housewife. Man and women are not equal right. Whatever holy book say is truth and right, beyond that is not right, that will be evil or bad. Discourage for scientific or modern development. There is no democratic right, equality and justice.

(6) Nonsense Religion practice:
In Hindu Religion, Only priest or his family can read holy book. Propaganda, " If other cast or other people read book, they will be sick or happen bad for them." So other people or must of the Indian or Nepalese people who are belief Hindu religion they do not know about actual Hindu religion. They never ever see the holy book or read the holy book. This is 100% true. This is nonsense religion practice. In Christian religion, everybody read bible, even they distribute free books and encourage them to read and talk about bible in church.

(7) Blind, conservative and backward education practice:
Most of the Hindu people do not know about fact about Hindu religion and what is all about. They just follows the what priest say to them. You can find a lots of fairy tales. Nobody read holy books and understood the facts about religion. This is just Blind religion. This is very conservative religion that you can't touch holy book because you are not belong to that cast or person. Hindu religion concept is very dominating and ruling to society. So priest can control to other people in society in the named of religion and God. This is totally and pure no democratic religion and cultural practice.


Conclusion: Hindu religion's based on pure no democratic, unrealistic, unethical, conservative, corrupted religion, corrupted social and culture practices. So we can obviously whoever practice Hindu religion that people, society or country are backward. That's way western people or western countries developed faster and faster. And Hindu people proud to go to western country and serve and die there. Hindu people think western country is heaven and land of opportunity. Think and understand why western are good and why Hindu are the worst?
 
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(1) Danger Tool for corruption:
A pundits (Priest) do not cultivate land or farming anything, he just read old conservative philosophy and do daily practices based on book. He goes to poor and desperate framers home and asks for pray to good for good health and wealth. Then, Priest asks farmer to give healthy cow, bulls, gold, money, textiles and food to donate him as god's will or make happy to god. And poor farmer do whatever priest asked for. Farmer already poor but these activities make him the poorest.

(2) Evil and Dirty theory: In Hindu, religion you have to do sacrifice to different animal to different gods and goodness. There is no animal right. There is no civilization. You have to pray to "Shiva Ling". Shiva means (God of creator and destroyer) and Ling means " male sexual organ ". This is not ethical practice. In holy festival Thij, all women have to go to Pashupati and will pray in Indian Jogies and yogi's pennies.

(3) Unrealistic: In Hindu holy books, written in what yogis or priests thought that is god or goodness. If you read Hindu holy book, you can find all kind of flying, killing, fighting, kidnapping, Rapping, looting etc.

(4) Creation of corrupted Social and culture:
In Hindu religion culture, Farmer must do only cultivate land and only do farming. Farmer must not go to school and read book, and must not learn read and write. So the truth is that if farmer and lower poor people go to school and learn read and write means, Priest will loose income.

(5) No democratic, No human/ animal right, No equality, No justice:
In Hindu religion, women must not go to school. If she goes to school, she will be witch. Women only do serve as a housewife. Man and women are not equal right. Whatever holy book say is truth and right, beyond that is not right, that will be evil or bad. Discourage for scientific or modern development. There is no democratic right, equality and justice.

(6) Nonsense Religion practice:
In Hindu Religion, Only priest or his family can read holy book. Propaganda, " If other cast or other people read book, they will be sick or happen bad for them." So other people or must of the Indian or Nepalese people who are belief Hindu religion they do not know about actual Hindu religion. They never ever see the holy book or read the holy book. This is 100% true. This is nonsense religion practice. In Christian religion, everybody read bible, even they distribute free books and encourage them to read and talk about bible in church.

(7) Blind, conservative and backward education practice:
Most of the Hindu people do not know about fact about Hindu religion and what is all about. They just follows the what priest say to them. You can find a lots of fairy tales. Nobody read holy books and understood the facts about religion. This is just Blind religion. This is very conservative religion that you can't touch holy book because you are not belong to that cast or person. Hindu religion concept is very dominating and ruling to society. So priest can control to other people in society in the named of religion and God. This is totally and pure no democratic religion and cultural practice.


Conclusion: Hindu religion's based on pure no democratic, unrealistic, unethical, conservative, corrupted religion, corrupted social and culture practices. So we can obviously whoever practice Hindu religion that people, society or country are backward. That's way western people or western countries developed faster and faster. And Hindu people proud to go to western country and serve and die there. Hindu people think western country is heaven and land of opportunity. Think and understand why western are good and why Hindu are the worst?
 
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contd....

Famous missionaries and crusaders like Billy Graham and Louis Palou
came to Nepal, but instead organizing spectacular healing programs, can we
not use the money to build hospitals or houses for disable people? The
churches encourage their members to be involved in conversion and do not offer
proper advice on how to become a responsible member of the society.

Non-Christian festivals and rituals are only talked about in terms of
temptation. During Dasain, Tihar and national holidays churches
organize events, in order to prevent people going home and being tempted of
forced to participate in rituals. While Nepalis from all corners of the country
and even from abroad travel home, Christian gather within the four walls
of their churches. When people fail to abstain from the rituals, for
instance when they cut their hair and wear white clothes after a family member
had died, they are not allowed to enter the church."

Q: Why did you choose to leave the church, instead of trying to
transform the church from within?

"Our churches have inherited a colonial type of leadership. Pastors
are regarded to be God=92s representatives and their words are not
challenged. Therefor it would have been a difficult struggle to
change things from within. We left with a good understanding.
Q: What does sagarmatha fellowship stand for?

"We choose a Nepali name, because we thought that would be a good
start of the Nepalisation process. Sagarmatha represents the ultimate height,
and transparency and purity. As a group we try to define what the core of
Christianity is, and what part of culture. Christmas for instance is
not mentioned in the bible. Therefore we believe we have the freedom to
celebrate the coming of Jesus Christ, the victory of good over evil,
during Dasain. We motivate the members to be responsible members of society.
We don't have a paid pastor, because we believe we should have regular jobs like
everyone else. In our teaching we include social issues and we celebrate
national events like martyrs day. We have a democratic leadership and women
are equal to men. We do not accept foreign donor money, but we do allow
expatriates to become members like ourselves."

Interview taken by Lucia de Vries
(This article was originally published in Dec 96- Feb 97s Face to
Face)
From: ashutosh@post.harvard.edu (ashutosh@post.harvard.edu)
Subject: What if all Nepalis became Christians?
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I agree with above reply and messages.

Yes, it is true Hindu Religion is totally based on unrelastic, corrupted, non-democratice, non social, unethical cultural practices. Hindu religion is very danger Religion if you think about human social, cultural, political, scientific, educational developement. This religion is tool to push not forward or positive side, Hindu religion will push human mind and thinking power backward. Hindu religion makes people more and more conservative and poor thinker.

Hindu religion is creator of:
(1) Non-democratice
(2) Blind religion
(3) Un-equal treatment practice in society
(4) No human and animal right
(5) Using Hindu religion - looting other
(6) Hindu religion is power of corruption
(7) Un-ehtical Religion
(8) Harrasemet in education
(9) Tool of survival for corrupted bahuns (priest)
(10) Tool of earn easy money and wealth
(11) worship of unrealistic god and godness
(12) conservative and backward knowledge
(13) Hindu Religion doesn't have equality, freedom, right and justice
(14) Hindu Religion is encourage in corruption because this religion begin with corruption.
(15) Hindu Religion was created by stone age priest. In the stone age, Priest wrote the story bookes of Royal king and their famil life and corrupted people turned these books in religion what they said is "Hindu Religion".
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ID: 99698197 Posted on 07-10-02 2:20 PM Reply | Notify Me
(1) Danger Tool for corruption:
A pundits (Priest) do cultivate land or farming anything, he just read old conservative philosophy and do daily practices based on book......Conclusion: Hindu religion's based on pure no democratic, unrealistic, unethical, conservative, corrupted religion, corrupted social and culture practices....

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ID: 99698197 Posted on 07-10-02 2:23 PM Reply | Notify Me
(1) Danger Tool for corruption:
A pundits (Priest) do not cultivate land .....Conclusion: Hindu religion's based on pure no democratic, unrealistic, unethical, conservative, corrupted religion, corrupted social and culture practices...

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ID: 99698197 Posted on 07-10-02 2:56 PM Reply | Notify Me
agree with above reply and messages.

Yes, it is true Hindu Religion is totally based on unrelastic, corrupted, non-democratice, non social, unethical cultural practices.

Hey ID:99698197,

What are you doing posting message yourself and replying your message

'... I agree with above reply and messages. .....Yes, it is true Hindu Religion is totally based on unrelastic, corrupted, non-democratice, non social, unethical cultural practices.....'

by yourself?
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This message to "DhakaTopi" and supporters.

Hello DhakaTopi. Your name "DhakaTopi" is perfactly match as you named yourself. I can't do comment about it. I don't mean to hurt your feeling, but honestly you need more study and schooling.

Before you claimed about " Hindu is Democratic Religion ". You must study about Hindu Religion at least for basic knowledge, but actually vast study must required for this topic.

You do not understand what is Democratic and Religion? And you don't have deep knowledge about "Hindu Religion"?

It seems like you are jumping without notice there is a big black hole.

Basic Theory of Religion is:
(1) Don't harm, hurt, and kill other.
(2) Respect and Love other.
(3) Don't do any bad activities.
(4) Give right, freedom, justice and equality.
(5) Share good and bad situation with other.
(6) Help other.
(7) Don't cheat, be honest.
(8) God must be only one and one for all people.

In truth and real Hindu society and activities, you don't see implementation of basic theory Religion. Most of the time, we can find 100% opposite activities form the Religion. Seriously, there is no Pure or clean Religion countries like Nepal and India. If there is no pure or clean activities or action, there will no democracy and religion, too.

Hint: In deep study and research, Hindu Religion even doesn't have implementation of basic theory of religion. Hindu is only poor social and cultural practices which poor people carried out from generation to generation.
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MissManners,

No need to be apologetic about saying a few sanskrit words. Western scientists are finding "NEW?" ways of doing things that had been written in sanskrit all along. We, forgetting our roots blindly follow others not realising that we are the original powers.

While I understood that "tatsa.kalyan bhabatu" means may good come upon you. I did not understand what "sarbam mama" means. Could somebody explains this to me. I would love to know more sanskrit words.

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Mannerman,

Sarbam Mama is a Vedantic word. You need to understand Vedantic principle to understand the meaning of Sarbam Mama.

Vedanta is considered to be the last step in the religious/spiritual life of a sadhak.

1. Karma
2. Puja
3. Bhakti
4. Advaita

Sarbam Mama falls under the fourth category. It is not just hard but almost impossible to realize Sarbam Mama without the deep-rooted bhakti. Ram Krishna Paramhansa teacher of Vivakenanda once said, "Gyan without bhakti is baseless".

Please read the biography of Vivakananda or Ram Krishna. As the most recent sages of the last century their experience and thoughts are very helpful. (I also like Autobiography of a Yogi by Yogananda)
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Sarbam means "everybody" and mama means "me". That is everybody is god and god is everybody.

This is the principle of oneness of the world,galaxy- the entire universe. As "taha cha " has said this is Adwait phylosophy.

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The above picture shows a slice of universe with uncountable stars bigger than our sun. But all this manyness is essentially one.
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Research Report from Hindu Religion Organization:

The caste system:

Although the caste system was abolished by law in 1949, it remains a significant force throughout India.
Each follower of Hinduism belonged to one of the thousands of Jats (communities) that existed in India. The Jats were grouped into four Varna (social castes), plus a fifth group called the "untouchables." A person's Jat determined the range of jobs or professions from which they could choose. Marriages normally took place within the same Jat. There were rules that prohibited persons of different groups from eating, drinking or even smoking with each other. People were once able to move from one Varna to another. However, at some time in the past (estimates range from about 500 BCE to 500 CE), the system became rigid, so that a person was generally born into the Jat and Varna of their parents, and died in the same group. "The caste system splits up society into a multitude of little communities, for every caste, and almost every local unit of a caste, has its own peculiar customs and internal regulations." The Rigveda defined four castes. In decreasing status, they are normally:

Brahmins (the priests and academics)
Kshatriyas (rulers, military)
Vaishyas (farmers, landlords, and merchants)
Sudras (peasants, servants, and workers in non-polluting jobs).

The Dalit were outcasts who do not belong to one of the castes. Until the late 1980's they were called Harijan (children of God). They worked in what are considered polluting jobs. They were untouchable by the four castes; in some areas of the country, even a contact with their shadow by a member of the Varnas was considered polluting.
Practicing untouchability or discriminating against a person because of their caste is now illegal. The caste system has lost much of its power in urban areas; however it is essentially unchanged in some rural districts. The government has instituted positive discrimination in order to help the Dalit and lower castes.

What do you think?
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Hello again.
I am glad somebody is on the path to enlightenment. Well my fellows mannerman and thaha chha explained it a little what sarbam mama means. I advise you to read Yogananda and other Vedanti Saints too to know more about the word. I value their insights on that. Ramakrishna was a good example too. I also find Mother Teresa very inspiring in understanding sarbam mama. Ok this much for now. Rest, explore on your own. I am just 22 and I am sounding like a pro here. So better keep quiet now. Namaste'.
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Well looks like the final conclusion is :
"We will stick to our grandfathers old Banyan tree no matter what ...."
..probably because we have no other choice or probably we dont have any chance to fit in any other society ....
..or the worst case might be probably we were destined to be morons ...no matter what ..
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Sarbam means everyone but the philosophy behind it is Vedanta. I will not be able to explain the principles of Vedanta in this user group; I am neither a preacher nor a writer. Any way I will try to do my best to express my views about the existence and meaning of Sarbam Mama.

Vedanta believes in the unification of the universe. We are not different from Nature, the matter, as our body is made out of it. We are not different from life as every one has spirit/soul. Vedanta looks in the similarities of the universe and how it directly affects the very existence of us (I).

To learn more about Vedanta, Vivakenanda/Yogananada has several books published. My favorite one is the Autobiography of a Yogi by Yogananda. It is one of the best sellers since it was published in 1946. Autobiography of Ramakrishna is also very insightful and inspiring.
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Mr Chettri,

Don't try to put words in our mouth. Who ever said "We will stick to our grandfathers old Banyan tree no matter what ...." As far as I can see, it is only You who is saying that!

We have understood our way of life and choose to live our life in the way our sages have researched.

What do you mean Mr. Chettri about "we dont have any chance to fit in any other society...". So does religion mean to fit in a society to you? huh!

Then you do not know what is religion. You do things just because some guy from developed country does. If the guy is gay then you will also become gay because you think it is cool to become one. So that you can fit in their society.
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