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ktm_bis
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Posted on 03-08-07 11:52
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This is a news from Drishti saptahik .... Prime mininster poured heavily on Prachanda for violent activities of maoist cadres like brandishing weapons saying that the maoist leaders are receiving threats. Girija, infuriated with recent maoist activities, warned Prachanda,"' if you still resort to violence, then I will kick you back to the place where you came from". The new temporary king "GIRIJA" seems he knows better on how to deal with extremists.
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Posted on 03-08-07 3:06
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Nepsysinc: I do not have any doubt that Girija shares a lot in bringing the chaos in the country during his tenure as prime minister. You cannot undermine his principles, his political stands he has taken right after the house was dissolved. Finally, all parties (even maoist) have been included in the mainstream politics just because of his stand of restoring parliament. If u are asked to choose a PM in the present scenario, who do u think will be a better leader? Though Girija is not good, u donot have any choice but Girija. He is the only person left whom all parties including maoist, international diplomats have a bit of belief left. Makune bolera rukhko paat pani hallidaina... Prachanda ko pani aba bistarai thutuno banda hunchha...Ko ho ta Neta? So on the ground, he never compromise on certain principles, he is the best leader..at least for the time being. Jai Nepal
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Posted on 03-08-07 3:17
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Ktm_bis: Your point well taken. But I still feel Girija just plays the politics for becoming the Prime Minister. What if he just dies now....we will have another problem. He will not lead his party and the country to have an alternate leader. Do you think it just happened that we do not have an alternate leader ? I think it is Girija who successfully created such a situation. I doubt NC will remain intact when GK dies. I do not trust the commies either...They seem to talk too much and deliver too little. However, I a sick and tied of past 20 years of Girija politics and ready for something beyound him. What else could go bad at this juncture ? I feel that we had enough problems from the bad politics of this low life GK that we should just be ready to trash him and try something new....Well, that does not directly answer your question for alternate leader but I seek to look for alternate that all parties will agree on. If not, what is an alternate when GK dies ? Should Nepal's future rely on a corrupt and no vision politician like Girija ? You show me some direction here...I feel like I am lost.
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Posted on 03-08-07 3:23
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Yeah, I agree that GK never compromise on some principles: 'PM should be GPK'. Why didn' he have the guts to set himself aside when Deuba was trusted from his party to become the PM ? Why does he have to start the culture of 'Midterm elections' ? I do not see any reason other than losing the PM'ship.
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ktm_bis
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Posted on 03-08-07 4:20
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nepsysinc: The young mind always urge the country to run in an ideal condition, politicians to be ideal, everything to be classical. You know, ideal thing is just an idea and classical thing exist in class, taught in class but do not exist in practice. Donot expect Girija or some other politician to be ideal...or classical. Your question ' what if Girija dies' could be very contemporary. I can only say that there will be some chaos. I don't who can take advantage of that...but in a situation when the country is in ustable equilibrium, a small pinch could lead to big disaster. I donot say whatever GIRIJA doing is good. Do you think he should declare nepal a republic, in a way Prachanda says to do so. Prachanda has already signed an agreement to decide the fate of king by election. Prachanda does not have a penny of maturity. Can nepal shoulder a big jerk of declaring anything like that at the moment. I appreciate Girija for his maturity.....for his weight...not otherwise... 'What if Girija dies?' I don't know. But it is in favor of nepal that he be alive at least till CA elections...He is a balancing force... Jai Nepal
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Posted on 03-08-07 5:03
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Girija knows the formalities and technicalities of how to go through this 'sankraman kaal'. Prachande is forgetting his signature that everything will be decided by the CA. Girija has not. Girija knows that mob-rule that prachande is forcing on should end. Goodluck to Girija baaje. Marne bela ma kehi ramro garu bhanera laageko chha, haami sabai le help garnu parchha. I think, girija and other ministers lai jandish lagaaune maoists ko girija maarne attempt ho. And girija has found that out. Thats why he is getting harsh on maoists. Girija maarne prachanda प्रयास बिफल भएको छ। अनि घाइते भयेको गिरिजा ले आफ्नो सिकारि लाइ अब राम्रै उपहार दिनेछ।
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Posted on 03-08-07 5:16
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हो हो कमसेकम् त्यो बुढोलाइ नैतीक समर्थन त दिनै पर्छ, धेरै भार् बोकेका छन्|सुत्केरिको ब्यथा आइमाइलाइ मात्र थाह हुन्छ । देश् टुक्रैटुक्रा हुन लागिसक्यो,जबसम्म त्यो बुढोले मुखर्जी, मोरियारिटी, प्रचन्डे को दबाब लाइ हुत्ताएर देशलाइ बिदेशी सन्क्रमन्, अएकताबादी, कुदृष्टी को बिरुद्द गर्जना गर्छन्, बचौछन्, बाकी सबै पुरानो कर्तुत बिर्सन तयार म त । फुलामाला पनि लगाइदिउला |अब ८६ बर्ष मा पनि बोल्ड नभए कहिले हुने ए बुढा? (गिरिजा जि:यो शाझामा कहिलेकाहि क्लिक्क् गर्नु हुन्छ भने, यो बुढो शब्द माया गरेर नै प्रयोग गरेको हुं, अन्यथा नलिनु होला)
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Posted on 03-08-07 5:24
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NEPSYSINC Girija is not a charismatic leader but a strong crisis manager which we need now. Like KTM BIS said, nobody is perfect and nobody can work the way you desire but a level of optimum output is expected from girija which certainly didnot happen amidst the rotten sucker leaders behind him. I would rather tell you to stay neutral if u don't like him personally and keep watching the next steps. The next leader after Girija would not in any way be Sher bahadur, the split initiator and maoist generator. Its easy to write critique on paper but hard to write paper. jayamatadi
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CHYAME KANCHA
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Posted on 03-08-07 5:34
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girija deserves hell not peace prize
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Posted on 03-08-07 9:05
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"हिजो को गल्ती सच्याउने प्रयास मा छन । यो सम्चारले जीवन को अन्त्यमा केही गरेर जानु पर्दछ भन्ने ज्ञान पलाएको जस्तो छ ।" This is what rahulbhai says. You rule the country for 15 years, instutionlize corruption, create civil wars, slaughter thousands of people and you say "Sorry, we had been learning. These were minor mistakes. We know how to run this country and will soon make it like Singapore or Switzerland." What a shame !!!
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Posted on 03-08-07 9:34
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haina malie pani budho ko hari gati dekhera maya lagcha. budha lay marne belama deshma euta bato banayara jau bhanne matra lageko cha hola astu
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Posted on 03-08-07 10:52
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अर्को नेपाली जी, अर्ध सत्य सबै भन्दा खतरनाक हुन्छ । पन्ध्र बर्ष गिरिजा ले कसरी शासन गरे? हजार मान्छे गिरिजाले मारे? कहाँ कसरि? हिसाब् गर्नु सक्नु हुन्छ? २०४८ देखि ५१ साल् सम्म झन्डै ३ बर्ष चान् चुन्। त्यसपछि ५६ साल म चुनव अगाडि ८-९ महिना। २०५६ साल् को चुनाव् पछि १ बर्ष जति किशुन् जी र त्यस पछि २ बर्ष गिरिजा। अनि गत १० महिना देखि गिरिजा। कति बर्ष भयो जम्म जम्मी गरेर? ७-८ बर्ष? के भन्नु खोज्नु भएको? यहाँ केवल गिरिजा ले प्रचण्डे लाई थर्कायो भन्ने कुरा को बहस् भएकोथ्यो मात्र हो । २३८ बर्ष देखि शाह् ले राज्य गरेको छ, प्रजातन्त्रको १३-१४ बर्ष् छोडेर बाकि २२४ बर्ष त तिनै शाह्, राणा ले एक् छत्र राज्य गरेका थिए। के तिनले देशलाई गरेको शोषण को हिसाब गर्नु सक्नु हुन्छ? जनतालाई रैती बनाएर राष्ट्र लुटेको वास्तबिकता तपाईंलाई के थाहा? धेरै पछाडि किन जानु? पञ्चायत को ३० बर्ष र प्रजातन्त्र को १० बर्ष तुलना गर्नु सक्नु हुन्छ? तथ्यान्क को आधारमा । कति सडक बने, कति अस्पताल बने कति शिक्षाण संस्था खुले? संचार र उद्योग को कति बिकास भए? तथ्यान्क खोज्नुस् र बहस् गर्नुस् । मात्र लोकतन्त्र प्रती रीस देखाउन जथाभाबी न लेख्नुस् । कस्ले न मानेको छ र लोकतान्त्र सँग संगै भ्रष्ट्रचार पनि बढ्यो । राम्रो कुरा होइन र त्यस्को बिरोध गर्नै पर्दछ। पञ्चायत काल मा कस्ले कति लुटे, न हिसाब छ न किताब छ । कति काण्ड भए, तपाईंलाई थाह छ । सबै जस्तो दबाए । जो दबाउनै नसक्ने भए ती मात्र बाहिर आए र त्यो पनि काफी छ, तपाईंको लागि । न स्वतन्त्र प्रेस् थियो । न संचार को यती सुबिधा । क्रेन लिएर भुपतिन्द्र मल्ल को शालिक उखेल्न गएको सत्य भक्तपुरबासीले भुलेका छैनन । हो, नेता गतिला भएनन र देश ले सही बाटो लिन सकेनन । नेताको गल्ती धेरै छन्, यो पनि मानें । प्रचण्डे का सन्तान हरु के ४-५ बर्ष को बहुदल को कारण जङ्गल पसेका हुन त? के गिरिजाको कारण माओवादी बांदर हरुले मान्छे मारे हुन त? सबै भन्दा बढी कांग्रेस् का कार्यकर्ता नेता मारिए, माओवादी आतंक बाट । आज ती सबै भुलेर, रगत को खोलो बग्न बन्द हुन्छ भनेर हात मिलाएका छन्, त्यस्मा पनि प्रतिगामीहरु को टाउको न राम्रो संग दुखेको छ । माओवादीलाई मल जल गर्ने को हो? चिन्नु हुन्छ? सशस्त्र प्रहरिका आइ जी, कृष्ण मोहन श्रेष्ठ किन मारिए, एमालेका सांसद यदु गौतम किन सेरिए थाहा छ? धेरै कुरा जान्न बाकी छ तपाईंले, खोजेर आउनुस्, बुझेर आउनुस्, अनि बहस् गरौला, राम्रो सँग ।
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Posted on 03-08-07 11:58
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Hello Rahulvai Good comment...I know you are the one who understand the situation...
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Nepe
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Posted on 03-08-07 11:59
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Number of people killed by the government: Year Killings ----- --------- 1996 ---- 59 1997 ---- 16 1998 ---- 334 1999 ---- 328 2000 ---- 180 2001 ---- 243 2002 ---- 3296 2003 ---- 1217 2004 ---- 1606 2005 ---- 815 2006 ---- 245 For details: - http://www.inseconline.org/hrvdata/Total_killings.pdf And before you think the people killed were all Maoists combatants, here is the list of classes of people killed by both the Maoists and the government. .
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ktm_bis
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Posted on 03-09-07 12:24
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Rahul bhai: You are absolutely right....democracy was there..if people thought Girija is not good, they would punish him via elections...democracy is a mechanism wherein the system will correct itself to move towards prosperity. Kalo Jaanchha...goro aaunchha.In spite of making the system stable, the ugly elements were trying to jeopardise the democracy from the very begining of democracy in 2046. These elements are none but...Royalists and Maoists...
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Posted on 03-09-07 12:15
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नेपालमा केही राजनैतिक संस्कार बसाउन पर्यो। १) कुनै पनि नेताले २ काल term भन्दा भन्दा बढी प्रम र मन्त्री हुन नपाउने। २)उमेर ६५ नाघे पछि सांसद, मन्त्री र प्रम पदमा नियुक्ती हुन नपाउने। ३}पार्टीको कुनै पनि तहमा एउटा पदमा २ पटक् भन्दा बढी रहन नपाउने। यसले गर्दा नया नेतृत्वको निर्माण् हुन्छ र कांग्रेसी साथीहरुलाई गिरिजा बाबुको अवसान पछि पार्टी ( अझै देशनै ) डुब्लाकि भन्ने डर पनि भएन। ४) सांसद पदमा चुनाव लड्न कम्तीमा स्नातक सम्मको शिक्षा हुन पर्ने। ५) शारीरिक रुपले अशक्त, रोगले ग्रस्ट ब्यक्तीहरुले पद ओगटिरहन नपाइने। ६) भ्रस्टाचार वा अन्य् फौजदारी मुद्धा लागेर सजाय पाएको ब्यक्ति कुनै चुनाव लड्न नपाउने। ७} सांसदले दल परिवर्तन गरेमा वा पार्टीको व्हिप नमानेमा सांसद पद गुमाउने। त्यसो भएमा सरकार् बनाउने र गिराउने खेल हटने थियो। अरु तपाइहरु केहि थप्नु हुन्छ कि?
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Posted on 03-09-07 9:25
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Dear rahulbhai, तपाइंको घमण्डी प्रतिकृया पढेर छक्क परें। यस्तो लाग्यो कुनै पन्चले पन्चायतको बखान गरेजस्तै कसैले गिरिजाको स्तुतिगान गाइरहेको छ। तपाइंजस्तो बिद्वान त म नहुँला तर के सत्य हो र के झुट हो भनेर छुट्याउने बिबेक ममा छ। त्यसैगरि असललाइ असल र खराबलाइ खराब भन्नसक्ने साहस पनि ममा छ। तपाँइजस्तो गिरिजा, माधव, देउबा, प्रचन्ड व राजा कसैको पनि भजन गाइरहनु मलाइ जरुरत छैन। गिरिजाले १५ बर्ष साशन गरेको संबन्धमा, गिरिजा ७-८ बर्ष प्रधानमन्त्री भएको त तंपाइले भनिसक्नुभयो। आर्को ७-८ बर्ष कसरि थपियो भन्ने बुझ्न देशको साशन संयन्त्र भनेको प्रधानमन्त्री मात्र होइन, ब्यबस्थापिका र प्रमुख राजनितिक दलहरु पनि हुन र देशलाइ कता लैजाने भन्नेमा उनिहरुको उत्तिकै ठुलो हात रहेको हुन्छ भनेर बुझ्नु जरुरि छ। प्रधानमन्त्री नभएको अबस्थामा पनि निति निर्माण र महत्वपुर्ण निर्णयका प्रकृयामा गिरिजाको प्रभाबशालि भुमिका संधै रहन्थ्यो। बास्तबमा, गिरिजा भनेको १५ बर्षे बहुदलिय साशनकालको सबैभन्दा महत्वपुर्ण राजनितिक ब्यक्तित्व हो। त्यसो हुनाले, १५ बर्षको अवधिमा देशमा के भयो त्यस्को जिम्मेवारिबाट गिरिजा पन्छन पांउदैन। हो, गिरिजाका मतियारहरु र उसका हन्डि खानेहरुले यस्तो तितो सत्य स्विकार्न चाहदैनन्। तर देसलाइ नेतृत्व दिने कुनैपनि नेताले आफ्ना मातहतबाट भएका सम्पुर्ण भ्रस्टाचार, नरसंहार र बेथितिहरुको जिम्मेवारि लिनैपर्छ। यसमा गिरिजा अपबाद् हुनसक्तैन। त्यसैगरि दरबार र पन्चेहरुले गरेका आफ्ना कर्तुतहरुको पनि उनिहरुले जिम्मा लिनै पर्छ। मैले कहिल्यैपनि पन्चायति ब्यबस्था ठिक थियो भनेर भनेको छैन। तर पन्चायतलाइ दोष दिएर गिरिजा, माधव, देउबा वा प्रचन्डका अपराधहरु चोख्याउन खोज्ने तंपाईको तर्कसँग बिल्कुल असहमत छु। हरेकले (यसमा दरबार पनि पर्छ) आफ्ना अपराधहरु स्विकार्नै पर्छ। तंपाईजस्तो धेरै बुझक्कढ नभएपनि प्रजातन्त्र भनेको गिरिजा, माधब, देउबा, प्रचन्ड वा दरबार मात्रै होइन भन्ने मलाइ राम्रोसंग थाहा छ। यि फटाहाहरु र यिनका मतियारहरु नभएपनि प्रजातन्त्र बाँच्नसक्छ। तर प्रजातन्त्र नभए यिनिहरु कसैको पनि अस्तित्व सम्भब छैन। जबसम्म यो सत्य तंपाईले बुझ्नसक्नुहुन्न, तंपाईसंग बहस गर्नु बेकार् छ।
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Rahuldai
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Posted on 03-09-07 10:35
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अर्को नेपाली जी, तपाईं को प्रतिकृया उन्माद्पूर्ण छ कि मेरो त्यो तेस्रो ब्यक्तिले निर्क्यौल गर्ला । मलाई पनि तपाईं सँग बहस् गर्ने रहर छैन्, जस्ले पल् पल् मा अफ्नो भनाइ फेर्दछ। हिजो सम्म तपाई प्रजातन्त्र् लाई गाली गर्दै हुनुह्न्थ्यो, आज् प्रजातन्त्रको दुहाइ दिंदै हुनु हुन्छ। यति छिटो बिचार् मा बिचलन्? तपाई को प्रतिकृया त केवल् राजनैतिक् दस्ताबेज जस्त् मात्र छ, मीठा कुराहरु को पुलिन्दा। कुनै तपाई सङ तथ्याङ्क छ? कुनै प्रामाणिक दस्तावेज छ? पन्चायत् र राजतन्त्र बहुदल भन्दा उत्तम् थियो भन्ने प्रमाणित गर्न? मैले कसैको भजन गाएको छैन।गाउनु जरुरि पनि छैन। कसैको कृपा मा बाचेको नि छैन। केवल प्रजातन्त्रको पक्षमा आफ्नो मत राखेको हुं। यस मानेमा खुशी छु कि प्रजातन्त्रको वकालत् गर्नु भयो अन्त्य मा आएर। हो प्रजातन्त्रमा जवाफदेहि सबै तह र पक्षका नेता हुनु पर्दछ। त्य् संस्कार् हाम्रा नेता मा भएन। देश ले जुन् गति र आकृति लिनु पर्ने हो, त्यो लिएन। ए बा बा, कस्ले न मानेको छ र् यो यथार्थता लाई? जङल पसेका एक् पक्ष किन र कसरि भन्ने कुरा अझै रहस्यमय छ। जे जति कारणले जन युग्द सुरु गरे पनि त्यस्ले बिनाश बाहेक् निम्त्याएन । आज देशमा बन्दुक् बिसाएर राजनिती गर्छु भनेर आएको छ, तिनलाई फेरि अर्को बन्दूक् तेर्साउने? शंकास्पद् भए नि अहिले मारकाट् बन्द भएको छ। संबिधान् सभाले देश् को भबिश्य कोर्लान्। जनताको मत प्रचण्ड को गोली भन्दा शक्तिशाली हुने छ। गिरिजाको गर्जन भन्दा प्रभावशाली हुन्छ। माकुनेको चतुर्याइ भन्दा फरक् खाले हुन्छ। जनताको मत मा बिश्वाश् गरम्। यत् भन्दा तपाइलाई अझै भजन गाएको जस्तो लाग्छ भने मेरो केहि भन्नु छैन। तपाई ले भने जस्तै, म भजन गाउने नै ठहर्ने छु, घमण्डी नै गनिने छु। तपाईको खुशी यसै मा छ भने बहस् गर्न पनि यहि बिश्रान्ति लिने छु। अस्तु!
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another_nepali
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Posted on 03-09-07 10:58
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Dear rahulbhai, criticizing Girija is not speaking against democracy. I have never spoken against democracy. Also, I have never said Panchayat was better than democracy. In democracy, everbody must respect the rule of law, everybody must be held accountable and nobody is immune from criticism. I am not surprised, for people like you, who always see things through the eyes of Girija, Madhav, Deuba, Prachanda or Gyanendra, its difficult to accept this truth.
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kishnekale
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Posted on 03-09-07 11:19
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Hey....just refrain yourself if you want to try to walk away with some web data on state and maobadi misconduct.... Just imagine what they could have done when there were spare free.... just imagine what they would have been doing when they could dare walk into the parliament with gun in day broad light... Just imagine when their leader so called prachanda still use the word ‘SAFAYA’...means killing in plain word... i do have respect for all those....all those nepali whatever color....nepali police Nepal army... people who died as maobadi.... no bones.... but this prachande and maobadi…fkkkkingg hell....fuingggg shit...fuuuukinnnggg hell why the heck I did not mail few friends exposing this raRI KO CHORO DURING THIS TIME...DAMMNNNNNNNNNNNN
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Posted on 03-12-07 6:14
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Well, Everyone is posting their view...you all are right on your thought..but we have to thought differently...This time Girija is important because he only one who has guts to solve the crisis...So, I am infavour of Girija...Yeah, I appricate Girija was never good...but he is trying to correct his past mistake..so we can give him the chance to correct...and solve the proble....Now its come to the parchanda point...I hate prachanda and baburam mostly than other leaders......but we have to give them the chance to come in the main stream so the long lasting peace will be stablish in the country....otherwise there is no way....i thought Rahul bhai is not trying to prove Parchanda, Girija, Madav...and other leaders are right...but he is trying to prove that the importance of the current situation....Girija samaya le mage ko mang ho...hami na karna sakdainau....Girija le thuprai galti gare ko cha..tera u aile desh ma pecace stablish garna pratibadha cha...teskaran we have to support Girija this time...thats samaya ko mang ho...jo hami bhujhi bhujhi..pani bhujhna khodainau......
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