Let us all unite against theanti-Hindu forces in Nepal. CAN WE DO IT?

Let us spread message against what is happening to Nepal.
WE WANT IT TO REMAIN A HINDU STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can we unite?
This will be the real challenge.
Look at how Indian medicos/engineers are uniting against job reservation.

Well, OUR RELIGION,HINDUISM THE ODLEST RELIGION IS BEING REMOVED FROM NEPAL. AND NO ONE IS BOTHERED? SICKENING.

Do you know what troubles start if this happens.
PLEASE ALL WAKE_UP AND SEND A STRONG MESSAGE TO THE CORRUPT & CROOK POLITICIANS IN NEPAL.

WE WANT NEPAL TO REMAIN HINDU!!!!!!!!!!

SPEAK EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IMi cool down..seems you are so angry by now..here is the information of indegenious people, if you want to yell don't yell at me, yell at the writer okay.....i just want you to study because at least you will have idea what's going on nepal...don't take it otherway,
Sorry if these things get offended to you..by now i am cool..take it easy...

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:pb3ya6-JBEwJ:sites.is.cornell.edu/releco/pdf/gurung.pdf+indigenous+people+in+nepal&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=9

http://sites.is.cornell.edu/releco/pdf/gurung.pdf

This one is too long..if you feel like reading just read it..

http://www-wds.worldbank.org/external/default/WDSContentServer/IW3P/IB/2005/03/25/000090341_20050325101211/Rendered/PDF/IPP107.pdf

no wait!!! scientology religion would go good for Nepal

>> नेपालमा बहुसंख्यक हिन्दु धर्मावलम्बीको बसोवास हुँदैमा यो हिन्दु अधिराज्य रहिआएको होइन । हिन्दु धर्मलाई राज्य नीतिहरूमा समेत समावेश गर्ने मान्यताका कारण धर्मविशेषलाई बढी जोड दिइएको हो
(quote from the kantipur article)
The above statement is FALSE
Politicizing of religion did not happen in the past. There is no law that gives special privilege to any priest or class based on religion. However there are laws against conversion and cow slaughter nothing more.

Politicizing of religion is happening now, like never before.

The above article also says that the lifestyle of people are the same regardless of their faith. I agree but that is the reason I am against secularism -why change or break the embedded Hindu style of living among all people that binds them together?

IMI's got a bug up his ass !! Gettin riled up fo nothin'.
MORON thinks changing state religion is going to change the people. ha ha ha
Unfortunately people like me are never going to change. Even if they change the relgion I will still be callin yo ass out in the streets. What the fuk is wrong with calling a jyapu a jyapu, poode a poode and a Bahun a Bahun. C'mon people.

YO KAPIL DEV

SHUT THE FCKU UP OKAY!!!

BEING SECULAR DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE HAVE OPENINGS NOW FOR RELIGIOUS PROPAGANDA. NEPAL WAS, IS AND WILL BE PEACEFUL IN TERMS OF RELIGION. RELIGIOUS CONFLICT IS THE LAST THING WE WANT. WE ALREADY HAVE HAD ENOUGH CONFLICTS TO BE SOLVED.


DON'T DARE TRY TO SPREAD SOME NONSESNSICAL PROPAGANDA HERE. GOT IT!!!

LOOTE (:))

Mr. Lootekukur,
The most important reason why Nepal should remain a hindu state and not a secular state is that it will remain peaceful in terms of religion by doing so. Sanatan 'hindu' religion is another name of peaceful co-existence in terms of religion. How many examples do you need?

(i) Baber came from Samarkand with only 50 men. What was the consequence? Pakistan, Bangladesh, 250 million muslims in India, and millions of people killed in the name of hindu-muslim clash. Would there have been any clashes in the name of religion in Indian sub-continent had muslims not invaded that land?

(ii) Christ was born Jew. He was a 'MAHAMANAV', no doubt. For his guilt of calling himself a son of God, what did jews do to him? Crucified. On the other hand, Buddha came to this earth 500 years before christ. He openly criticised Vedas in the 100% hindu land. What did we do to him? Several kings respected him. We put him as 9th incarnation of lord Vishnu.

(iii) Before reneissance, how many crusades had been there and how many catholics and protenstants killed each other in the name of religion. How many scientiests and thinkers did these churches kill before reneissance? Only after reneissance, when they put church and state separate there had been very few conflicts in the name of relion in west.

(iv) Muslims still fight among themselves for Shia-Sunni cause. How many of our Shivamargis and Vaishnavs have fought in the name of religion among themselves? How many hindus have tried to convert, forcefully or by temptation, people of other religions?



These are only few.
Only a hindu state where
(i) Killing of cow is banned.
(ii) Religion conversion is actively scrutinized by state.
will make Nepalese live in peaceful co-existence in the name of religion.
Once they see that they can convert people in the name of religion, dollars from middle east and churches will flow in Nepal to convert people only to prepare it for a huge religious clash 10-20 years from now.

Euta keta,
DUDE TELL ME SOMETHING i DON'T KNOW. HE HE You're just repeating history like a parrot. TELL ME what I can gain by Nepal being a hindu country ? NOTHING
You fukin' tellin me people of other religion cannot achieve peace ? If you say YES THEN YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT !!

Eutaketa,
I like your comparison between religions and your analysis. Only in Nepal people of different faiths live and mingle together acknowledging their differences. It does not exist anywhere else. Alas we are going to loose that now!!!

Yeah That analysis is just make believe reality is something else.
Besides the analysis is only compatable with Buddhism and hindism cause Buddhism came from Hindu religion. So no big deal. But if Muslims and Hindu, Christians and Hindu, get along then yeah thats something. I Propose Nepali to be an atheist so people don'r have an excuse to fight with each other.

Mr Bathroomcoffee,
You are just provking me and those who share my thoughts. Using 'f' words. Actually, there is no point trying to convince everyone. However,

(i) Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
(ii) What do we gain from being hindu? Peaceful coexistence among all religions. It is historically proven.
(iii) "Besides the analysis is only compatable with Buddhism and hindism cause Buddhism came from Hindu religion." Oh!! good point. Why Judaism and Islam which have closer tie between them than have Hinduism and Buddhism can not co-exist. What's happening in Arab and Israel?
(iv) Go out and ask a sample of people. You will know how many 'atheist' like you are out there. If you are < 3% (I am sure that will be the number), you may better know if it should be an atheist state or not.

Guys,
I think let's not waste time in convincing each and everyone. We know what the truth is. And, we have to make it true that 'SATYAMEV JAYATE'.

Well, dissidents, why don't we vote among people? Let them decide whether it should be a hindu state or a secular state.

Care to explain to me and the to rest of us against secularization of Nepal why Nepal has never had civil unrests/religious conflicts/sectarian conflicts in the past vis-a-vis India? Everybody knows that Hindu nationalism is on the rise in India, while this phenomenon has not spread like wildfire in Nepal. Why? Because we have all grown used to the fact that Nepal is the world's only Hindu religion. Some of you say that the religion has been imposed on you. Well then, compare and contrast Nepal's situation with that of India's, where religion is not imposed on people in any shape or form. Where do you see more conflicts, Nepal or India? This change will surely backfire, because Hindus, who are known to be tolerant(parsees, Christians, Jews were all welcomed in Hindu India with open arms--never were they forced to do anything against their will), will start to take extremist positions, because secularization of Nepal is an attack on our religion! That's how many of us see it. Seriously, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth as well, and even when I was in Nepal, I never went to the Pashupatinath temple. I do not come from a religious family. But the point is, you can only push us this far, because if you try pushing us any farther, we have no option but to resort to taking extremist positions.That is definitely the bottomline. The BJP rose to power out of nowhere! They were not a force to be reckoned with only a couple of decades ago. Guess what, the BJP were appealing to a group of disenchanted Hindus, who felt that their religion was being assailed. Even when India and Pakistan partitioned, many muslims opted to stay back. Why? Because Hindus are generally peaceful. We don't want to start any wars. Take a good look at the situation in Pakistan and ask yourself this question: why are there virtually no Hindus in Pakistan anymore? Where have they all gone? The tolerance of Hindus will lead to their demise it seems.
Taking a conservative approach, the Hindu population is at least half a billion. There are countries out there that are officially Buddhist. There countries out there that are officially Christian. There are countries out there that are officially Muslim. Heck, there is a country out there in the heart of the Middle East--this tiny country that arguably is the most powerful country on earth-- that's strictly speaking Jewish. This begs the question: why is there no country out there that's officially Hindu? To all you Buddhists whining and bitching about how Hindus have imposed Hinduism on you-- if we have imposed Hinduism on you, why are you still practicing Buddhism? Hinduism does not convert people, as you know. So it is paramount for us that we protect our religion. We will be as extinct as the dodo otherwise. It is bound to happen because we do not convert people, while other religions do. Buddhism for example allows other people to become Buddhists. Hindus are born Hindus; if you're not born a hindu, you're a tree-hugging hippie at best. You all can see that this issue has made many of us take extremist positions. It is an attack on our religion, nothing more, nothing less . It angers me, and it angers many more non-practicing Hindus like me.
You all want an egalitarian Nepal with no religious conflicts. Well, here's a shocker: we have virtually never had any religous conflicts in the past. We will now because of this change in the constitution. If a non-practicing Hindu like me, who doesn't give a rat's ass about Hinduism is so riled up about this change, just imagine how religious Hindus are feeling right now. I am not a supporter of the king by any means. Look, our politicians are just trying to contain the Maoists. By doing so, they have woken up a sleeping giant. Yeah, the sleeping giant is us Hindus as a collection. Many will probably take it to the streets to protest. Many will probably take arms and fight back. This is a bad situation. As I said, we Nepalis have never had any religous problems, but we will have some soon enough. There is no doubt in my mind, because politicians have unwittingly fanned the flames of hatred. All you Buddhists have choices if religious conflicts were to erupt in Nepal: there are tons of Buddhist nations that will welcome you with open arms. The question is, where do Hindus from India and Nepal go? We have nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. We're screwed.

Majority of guys who post on this forum from US, enjoy freedom to eat beef (I have no objection for that).....and posting message on Sajha thread about keeping Nepal as a Hindu state........
.......spreading rumor.....propaganda about religion such as.......Nepal going to be like iraq...india...... nepal becoming muslim state.....christian state....... now able to have 5 wifes whatsoever........

SHAME ON YOU ALL SO CALLED HINDU GUYS.............

For your information, I was born in hindu family, and still have a believe in Hinduism and it will be forever.

But try to respect other religion and the changed in country too..........
Only way to go now on, Nepal being a secular state............
endof...............

To all the people who use foul language and call this propaganda:
Friends, I believe that u has full rights to come and say whatever u wants. But I request you if you have nothing much intelligent to say, please don’t use foul languages to people who are not so happy that Nepal has been secular. This is not propaganda or anything this is discussion on why it is good to be secular and why Hindu country would have been better. I think you guys are educated and don’t suit you guys calling people with difference in opinion racist, religious propaganda and using foul languages. Thanks.


SS47k, I am sorry dude I didn’t read the entire link. But let me tell u one thing .I have been in closed contact with so called limbu janjati and tharu.So I guess I know little bit about them and how they think. Please don’t see me as person who has never been out of KTM.Anyways thanks for the link. And I am cool man I have nothing personally against you are anybody.

Bathroomcoffee:
You take religion as materialistic .Religion is spirituality. Yes Hindus have not been so rich as to distribute money and jobs but it does have lot to offer that will bring you more peace and might help u to change. And you got me wrong or you didn’t understand what I am saying. That what I am saying, was the religion main issue that our country didn’t develop. I don’t have bug up my ass.i am sorry to hear people like u can’t change.

Aznshwty:
Have you meet Jews people? Do you know how they feel about religion?

Peace in Nepal:
No one here is saying. Disrespect other religion. Either you are not following this thread carefully or you just like to jump in .Whatever it is question I am debating is eating cow or not? Eat whatever you like .When Maoist is going drink blood of Nepalese people what is cow.

To all other whom I am having conversation:
It is evident that, I cannot convince you why it was wrong to do what spa did and you iterating why it is good Nepal be secular cannot convince me .We put forward our views. And now we see we are divided. Were we divided in this issue before this proclamation? Exactly we didn’t even thought about it. Now it has forced people to think about it .Which is not a good sign .Could go either way.
Everyone (except few) were living in harmony.Muslim-hindu(unlike anywhere in the world),hindu-buddist.Christians had rights to open churches and convert people. with dollars flowing from Vatican. But now this topic has been touched. And I believe you and I know this is sensitive issue. Hindus are going to be sensitive about this issue more than ever in the history of Nepal.(Ex: 10 people killed in Iraq, remember what happened).You and I cannot deny the fact that what kind of mentality Nepalese public has.(not to offend anyone). We are Hindu (not all) and we are fighting in this issue. I request you I do understand you instance why it is good to be Secular but you need to think calmly at what price???

PeaceInNepal,

Good thought!

ImI,
“Till this proclamation, i really didn't thought about religion so strongly .but this hasty and unwanted decision has made me think twice about my religion and other religion in Nepal”
Me too

“CHANGING IN NEPAL SHOULD NOT BE BEGINNING CHANGING THE NAME SHOULD BE ENDING” At least you do believe that changes in our or any society is inevitable. It will be done someday, peacefully or through a bloody war. So my question to you is: Why not now? Why not be happy with it if it is achieved with peace?

“It was so difficult for people, LIKE U, to digest there was 1 Hindu country in this world.”
Let me take you on a crash course history of Nepal, the recent one, let’s not go back too far,
Shahs Dynasty-Hindu
Ranas-Hindu
Democratic parties-Hindu
Maoist leaders-Hindu
Gayne aka Bhishnu-Hindu
May 2006 decision maker, Girija-Hindu
The history of Nepal with pure Hindu dominance and the country going nowhere,
you still blame us when you’re loosing your foothold in the society. Do you think it’s fair? Can’t you see your own flaws and honestly accept your past and move on. Yes, people were free to practice religion under Hindu, but converting to a different religion was still looked down at. If you say it was free for everybody to practice their own religion, then why are you so scared when it’s given the proper legal stamp for the term. It’s like living together in a relationship all this time but not officially getting married when you term the phrase “Under Hindu, everybody was free to practice their religion”. So the couples are officially married now, isn’t that better?. If you have failed again and again from the Stone Age till now, don’t you think that people have lost faith in you by now? Can’t you throw in that small piece of crumb to other non Hindu? Why not give the chance and the opportunity to someone else. Maybe a dalit, kami or a sherpa might change the course. Have a heart.

“No matter how much people defend here in sajah. Religious Violence is inevitable in future of Nepal”
You’ll be the first one to start that with your fanaticism or someone like you.

Ok FINE NOW .THEN BE DEMOCRATIC AND SPEAK FOR VOTE.IF SO BE COMMUNIST AGENDA .MAKE ALL HINDU IN NEPAL REALIZE WHY NOT HINDU BY SPREADING U MESSAGE DURING ELECTION.NOT IN THIS WAY.THIS HAS ALIENATED A LOT. MAN DON'T ACCUSE ME OF ANYTHING THAT SORT .I AM NOT BASHING ANY OTHER RELIGION OUT HERE IF U ARE FOLLOWING MY THREAD CAREFULLY.


I JUST THINK IN DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY THERE SHOULD BE PROCESS AND EVERYONE HAS RIGHT TO SPEAK ABOUT IT.YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TEACH ME ABOUT SECULARISM(NOT TO OFFEND U).I KNOW.YES, CHANGE IN INEVITABLE BUT IF IT WAS DONE BY PUBLIC WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER.HINDING IN TO SELF INTEREST GROUP AGENDA IS NOT RIGHT WAY TO GO.IF MAJORITY OF PUBLIC WOULD HAVE WANTED THAT I WOULD GALDLY ACCEPTED IT.

WHY DO U THINK ALL THE PEOPLE IN ISLAMIC STATES , BUDDIST,CHRISTIAN, JEWS STATE ARE STUPID .AND NEPALESE ARE SO SMART.OUR POLTICIANS ARE WITH VISION AND ALL OTHERS ARE DUMB ASSES.

I TOLD U AGAIN AND AGAIN .IF I WERE ONLY ONE SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE WOULD NOT HAVE COME INSUPPORT OR AGAINST THIS ISSUE.AND AGAIN U ARE BLAMING HINDUISM FOR STATE CONDITION.PLEASE READ ABOVE THREADS.

WHY NOT NOW BEACAUSE NOT RIGHT TIME, NOT RIGHT METHOD.. DOESN'T BRING PEACE.U MAY SAY WE HAVE NOW .WELL THE COUNTRY IS INVOLVED IN SOMETHING ELSE ONCE THAT GETS SETTLED U WILL SEE.NOTHING MUCH TO SAY.THANKS FOR LISTENING THAT IS IF U ARE LISTENING

"The history of Nepal with pure Hindu dominance and the country going nowhere,"

Boy, aren't you a genius? So you're trying to imply that the religion of the Shahs/bahuns/chettris had something to do with Nepal's backwardness. You're a Buddhist. There are tons of Buddhist countries in the world. Second, no matter how you try to spin it, you cannot change this fact: Nepal is predominantly a Hindu nation. Bahuns, Chettris, Thakuris and Madhesis combined make up more than 50% of Nepal's population. Add in Newars and Magars, many of whom are Hindus, like my good friend who got married the Hindu way only recently, and the name is well above the 60's, ASSUMING that the census has been manipulated, as you so claim, for which there is actually NO actual evidence. If you have trouble with Hindus, go to Thailand or that place called Tibet where you came from--oh that's right the Chinese government doesn't allow you to practice your religion. Second, give me an answer: did Nepali Hindus ever impose their religion on you? How are you still a Buddhist? You see, Hindus in Pakistan/Afghanistan have either been forced to convert to Islam, have been chased away to India, or have been massacred like crazy. If your ass hasn't realized it yet, we Hindus are a tolerant bunch. I can't say that about other religions out there.

"But converting to a different religion was still looked down at. "
Wars in certain places in Africa have erupted in certain regions in Africa due to conversion of the gullible folks. Muslims and Christians are heading towards a head-on collision. Why can't you understand that conversion is not good for HINDUS, because Hinduism doesn't allow people to convert, while other religions can convert Hindus. Listen up buddy, if you have a problem living with Nepal's Hindu majority, why don't you move your ass to Thailand or some other place where Buddhism is the majority? Even if Hindus make up only 60% of Nepal's population, we're still the majority. Get that through your head.

That article does talk much about why indegnious people are backward,supresed and very poor as you said earlier.It said that indeginous people were not supposed to talk about ethnic group and could not represent in the national politics in their ethnic names.during panchayat regime,They could not demand for linguistic freedom nor could they talk about secularism. The state policy throughout the panchayat rule was monolithic and only the constitution of 1991 admitted nepal as as multi-ethnic, multi-cultural and multi-lingual country.Since common culture was thought essential for nation-building, monolithic policies for one nation, one language, one religion and one culture was officially promoted giving special privilege to Khasa Nepali language and Parbatiya Hindu culture as national. During the panchayat regime, debates and efforts pertaining to ethnicity and cultures other than "national" culture was discouraged as communal and anti-national and therefore met with strong official oppositions.

Indigenous peoples have multiple issues of development. They have issues of land, languages, citizenship certificates, health, education, employment etc. Up to 95 percent of the highly marginalized indigenous peoples like Chepang, Santhal, Kisan, Jhagad, Munda, are landless peoples. They erect small huts either along the roadsides or at marginal public lands. Without lands, they cannot have their citizenship certificates and without citizenship certificates, indigenous peoples cannot have access even to the basic social facilities of health and education. The national census report shows that 0.74 million or 18% of the total school going age children are out of school and the majority of them come from indigenous communities. The failure and school drop out rates are also highest among indigenous peoples. This is attributed to the poverty of the parents and language in the schools. So indigenous peoples are also demanding special programs to eradicate poverty. They demand multicultural educational environment focusing particularly education in mother languages

I found this article pretty interesting and found they are much vulenrable from everywhere as you said religous changes. I didn't copy and paste most of them because i am feeling lazy....
The first and the second are the same article, one in HTML and other in PDF.

OK, I give up.
IMI, thanks for the time and the view, they were very insighful. If I slipped anything to offend, I take that back.
Seriousguy,
I have nothing to say but "GOOD LUCK"

TO ALL,
IT WAS REALLY NICE DISCUSSION .NOW I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY.FUTURE WILL TELL IT. IF WE ARE STILL ALIVE WE WILL SEE THE FATE OF OUR COUNTRY.LET THERE BE REAL DEMOCRACY IN NEPAL.LET THERE BE PEACE.I HOPE THERE WOULD BE PEACE.WITH THIS KIND OF STARTING OF NEW NEPAL.I AM VERY PESIMIST.YOU KNOW MY FEARS.

VOTEEE AND OTHERS THANKS I RESPECT YOUR OPINION.I ALSO SO KNOW IT WOULD BE AN IDEAL WORLD IF PEOPLE DIDN'T FIGHT FOR RELIGION.IF PEOPLE DIDN'T EXPLOIT POOR.THEY HAVE BEEN EXPLOITED BY HINDU AS YOU GUYS MENTIONED AND SURE AND CERTAIN THEY WILL BE IN NEW NEPAL FROM CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES AND OTHERS.

IT JUST THAT IF WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING DEMOCRATIC .LET IT BE EVEN AS MUCH DEMOCRATIC AS SAJHA.AT LEAST GOT TO PUT OUR POINT ACROSS.THE SPA LEADERS DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

IF U AGREE WITH ME THE COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR POINT OF VIEW AND PEOPLE LIKE MY POINT OF VIEW WOULD BE ELECTION.NOW U HAVE TO ADMIT THAT.I AM ADMITTING IT UNLESS U WANT TO GOVERN AS COMMUNIST.
GOD BLESS.