I was reading up on the new bill in arizona about giving authority to the Police to enforce immigration laws...What are you guys opinion to this. Is this a prelude for tighter immigration rules or do you guys think things will be more reasonable and streamlined??

Looks like this is a very polirazing issue with no grey areas compared to healthcare reform. It looks like this issue snow balled after the misdeed of the Sheriff Arpio who was violating the 5th ammendment rights of the citizens of Arizona and were racially profiling people. The proposed law is asking all the citizens to carry an ID and be subjected to questioning withoutout reasonable doubt and purely based on the way you look.

 

Kiddo: You missed the point. When you are being asked for an id to prove your age, color of skin does not play a role. As far as I am concernted, racial profiling is wrong. ID verification is an equal opportunity discriminator regardless of the color of your skin.

Just like Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act during 1960s helped black voters overwhelmingly move  into Democratic Party...this is a perfect opportunity for Democrats to move Hispanic voters and other immigrant groups overwhelmingly towards Democratic Party for a generation and see how Republicans will be able to win White House without Hispanic votes.

Long term demographic trends show that pursuing this sorts of agenda will lead Republican Party to winning local and regional elections but not national elections.

I would say to Republicans...go for it ..pass more of these sorts of laws   

The same Republicans who generally tend to be independent business owners have never said NO to cheap labors flowing through southern border...

Bullshit law!

F#*king illegals took our jobs! 

Rewire: Good logic, but still does not cut it for me. I cannot believe you have no objection to the law that is going to target coloured folks, and that too solely based on the colour only. Yes, I wholeheartedly agree with your position that any country has right to deport the illegal immigrants. There is no doubt about that. But I do have objection with the way they are trying to enforce the law which is surely going to put the colored people at a lot of inconvenience. There's got to be smarter way to do this.

In the end all the negativity and problems that is seen all over the world is due to limited resources for an ever growing population. Everyone is competing for the limited resources and in desperate times, desperate measures are called for. Even the great US of A is feeling this crunch. The population is growing at an astronomical rate and when the illegal population begins to overshadow the legal residents rights and opportunities, desperate measures will be put in place.

This is just the beginning.

Stereotyping and racial profiling is not fair but it is in the genes so there is no overcoming it. Your own identification is what sets you apart and you cannot ignore it.

newlynew

So, I am the one who missed the point. You keep coming back to racial profiling and yes, asking for id doesn’t mean you are discriminating by color, but YOU ARE DISCRIMINATING with Age!! Racial profiling and age discrimination are both discouraged. They both are taboo if not only illegal and hence my point.

If you still don’t get my point then I give up.

I wasn’t gonna comment on the rest since u guys are completely missing the point but u dragged me back.

 

Rewire, I agree with you as far as illegality is concerned. Illegality in any form should not be condoned. But you can’t say “it is not about racial profiling.” And go on to say “they are too many of them..” That’s plain racial profiling AND there is no way you cannot acknowledge that. That’s like that VA governer who said slavery in civil war is irrelevant. Now, if you say, OK I know it is racial profiling but since we have to do that to protect the law then I am with you. U can’t be hypocritic on this one.

 

As I said Kiddo, verifying someone's age which you like to call age discrimination is colour blind. The issue with colour is America is so large and intense, I don't even understand where you are headed with comparing that to your "age discrimination".

This new bill is a recipe to more state spending in already sluggish Arizona’s economy. Mark my words, there will be hundreds, if not thousands of lawsuits on racial profiling.

 

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I don't see how Kiddo's example of "Age Verification" fits in this discussion. For me its like comparing Apples with Oranges.

We don't have to mark your words, there already are suits filed against it in the court including one from Rev Sharpton.

Newlynew, I gave up. Not your fault, maybe I didn't clarify it properly, let's leave it at that. 

70% of Arizonans support the new "Paper Please" law. Either they are racists or dumb-asses! They don't realize how the law will hurt their economy. 

can somebody mark norton's words. he said it first, he is turning out to be a hollywood ishtyle villain when he says that.

Let's face it America's south is pretty racist. I am surprised at meagre 70% support for the new legislation.