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Posted on 05-19-06 4:18 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Let us all unite against theanti-Hindu forces in Nepal. CAN WE DO IT?

Let us spread message against what is happening to Nepal.
WE WANT IT TO REMAIN A HINDU STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can we unite?
This will be the real challenge.
Look at how Indian medicos/engineers are uniting against job reservation.

Well, OUR RELIGION,HINDUISM THE ODLEST RELIGION IS BEING REMOVED FROM NEPAL. AND NO ONE IS BOTHERED? SICKENING.

Do you know what troubles start if this happens.
PLEASE ALL WAKE_UP AND SEND A STRONG MESSAGE TO THE CORRUPT & CROOK POLITICIANS IN NEPAL.

WE WANT NEPAL TO REMAIN HINDU!!!!!!!!!!

SPEAK EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted on 05-20-06 1:23 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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******FREEDOM TO PRACTICE RELIGION**********
******FREEDOM TO SPEAK MOTHER LANGUAGE*****

This is the way to go. Otherwise if everyone in Nepal spoke Nepali and became Hindu, there wont be any other minority culture and language left.***** Any way both Hindu religion and Nepali language were forced upon Nepalese people by SHAHs and RANAs ******, if you don't believe me, don't go and start reading Nepal's history. They were written by people who feared or favored Shahs and Ranas.

*****DEMOCRACY MEANS EQUALITY AND NO DISCRIMINATION******
LOOK AT AMERICA: YOU WILL UNDERSTAND, THEY NEVER SAY YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW A CERTAIN RELIGION.
 
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Something about Sathi-Pratha:
Sati-pratha started only after the muslim invasion in India. Muslims would forcefully take the women once they win the battle and make them their wives. The wives of the kings would rather die than be the wives of the invader muslims.
 
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All religion teaches only good.Unfortunately people interpret it incorrectly.It is sad to see their are more Muslims in the world how interpret incorrectly .So all the infidels are at risk.Including hindus because of Some idiots.
I have lot of muslim friends they are educated but still sentimental about their religion and practice it no matter which country they belong too But Our liberal hindus especially of nepal do not care much of religious values.
I don't see much future of hindu religion especially when the conversion process is increasing so fast in Nepal.It will soon be minority religion in couple of generation well what do we care we have all liberals in Sajha.KK ur attempt to unite is fruitless.
 
Posted on 05-20-06 3:08 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Grow up guys!

aadivasis-janjatis-dalits have been demanding a secular state for years now. It was one of the demands of the recent movement, but was subsumed under the banner “Samabeshi Loktantra.”

Going secular is good news for Nepal. this is an EXCELLENT news for both the marginalized muslim/ and historically persecuted christian community as well as for the aadivasi-janjati-dalits! mind you, enlightened brahmins/chhetris have also been in the forefront of a crusade for a secular state. you cannot have a 'samabeshi loktantra' with a hindu tag. how can you have over a dozen upa-dafas pertaining to Hinduism and ONLY ONE pertaining to Buddhism in the now-defunct constitution (thank God), and not a single one for Islam or other religions? Tagging Nepal as a "Hindu country" is discriminatory and offensive to countless other religions!!!

grow up again dudes! that 85% of the population of Nepal are Hindus is a myth - no matter what the manipulated figures in the population censuses taken during the hindu regime show. Don’t you get it? It was on this and similar other heaps of lies that the legitimacy of the Palace and the God-like status of the Shah Dynasty was built! you must know that the state-sponsored population censuses have always been mired in controversies - and even the National Planning Commission have had to admit to this fact on more occasions than one.

“Katmar” under secular Nepal? Again grow up dudes. at least, this is a good first step toward abolition of the apartheid of South Asia (caste system) which stems directly from fundamentalist Hinduism, which has been given protection by the palace. there has been more “katmar” under Hindu Nepal than you can even document. Even animal rights activists are scared of the voracious appetites of hindu gods and goddesses such as Kali Mata. Haven't you heard of the allegations that Mr. Bharat Keshari Singh's groups were involved in the murder of Mr. Pokhrel, who had financed many education institutions across Nepal through organising of "Yagyas”. I think the new Nepal Government must look into this allegation and bring the culprits to book.

shiva sena resides in pointlessness in India. they are a spent force. hindu Bishwo Parishad also resides in pointlessness. certainly, Secular Nepal may open up possibilities for religion-based politics and give rise to Nepali BJPs. But there are also countervailing forces in Nepal. You guys have to remember that the Dalits - aadivasis - janjatis - muslims - christians are a formidable force and they have the numbers. enlightened Brahmins and Chhteris are okay with the secular tag, and are even saying that this is best for the country. Maoists as well as the large swathes of rural population they have a sway over have welcome this Secular Tag.

So to say that Nepal is imposing a "Secular" tag on a country with 87% to 97% Hindus is a heap of lies. Did I also mention women who are fed up of patriarchy, which had been given a boost and protection by the palace and its god-like King. mind you, the non-Hindu minorities are increasingly empowering themselves, organising themselves and asserting themselves, thanks to the space created for them by the 2046 movement. Aadivashis-janjatis alone make up 37% of the population. Dalits make up 20%. Women make up almost 50%. Christians and Muslims are rapidly growing in numbers. So with figures like these, it is not scientific to say that Nepal is a "Hindu" country. Anyway this has nothing to do with science. Turkey’s muslim population may actually exceed 90% but it is still a Secular Country.

I don’t think Secular Nepal will create any long term problem – it may create a short term problem. If you look at the hilltops in and around Kathmandu, you can see more lavish and more modern Buddhist gombas and monasteries outshining the shive lingas and tridents. This is only a sneak preview of things to come! When the Tamangs / Sherpas/ Gurungs/ Tibetans decide to celebrate a “Lhosar” on the same day (attempts have been made in this direction), then “Lhosar” will truly be a “national” festival, and help forge a pan-aadivasi-janjati solidarity. It is only a matter of time.

I say Secular Nepal will not pose problems in the long term because
even though Nepali BJPs may come to power (every dog has its day) in Secular Nepal - so what? Many BJPs have come and gone in India - but India is still a secular country.
The dog barks but the caravan moves on. Only in Secular Nepal, can we have equal respect for all religions, all cultures - thus enriching the diversity of Nepal in the face of homogenizing effect of globalisation. This is a very positive thing! Otherwise what difference is there between people who argue in this thread that Nepal is a “Hindu Country” and should remain so, and our successive kings who have always acted like they own Nepal – that Nepal is their “birta”.

Lest people counter that going Nepal secular under is “indianisation of Nepal”, it helps to remember that Nepal has been more indianised under Hindu Nepal. I have actually overheard Paras say, “I’m married to India.” He meant this both literally and figuratively. You must know about the Sankacharyas from South India, who exercise control over the running of Pashupati Nath. And it was the Sankarcharya from South India who introduced Hinduism’s ugliest aspect –Caste System – in Nepal. Hell, it was with Hinduisation of Nepal that Indianisation of Nepal began. This happened long ago – ever since the Hindu Kings of India were chased out of India by the Mongol (or Moghul) herds. So if people on this thread argue that Nepal going secular is “indianisation of Nepal” needs to get an update - reread their history.

HINDU tag is an idea whose time has gone. Gone with the wind! I never felt proud to hear the line “Nepal is the only Hindu country in the world”, and I have never ever said it.

Who know if Hinduism may actually flourish under Secular Nepal – paradoxically speaking?

I have no doubt that pashupati nath temple will acquire a much cleaner and more respected image under Secular Nepal. Under the kathit “Asal Hindu Rastra Nepal”, pashupati nath temple had become a poster boy of mismanagement, fraudulence, chakribad, corruption, sins, thanks to the palace and palace-propped puppets. when count draculas like Bharat Keshari Singh & the palace puppets masquerade as spokespersons for "ASAL HINDU Rashtraya", this is what happens – they ruin/dirty the image of Pashupati Nath temple and, by extension, of Hinduism. They allowed the holy Bagmati River/Sali Nadi to be polluted. Where do you think all that money that the devotees offered to Pashupati Nath temple went? No point for guessing correctly. The money that could have been used to clean up holy rivers. Declaring Nepal a “SECULAR NEPAL” was a quick way to drive a stake through the hearts of these draculas and their false-god-king and their institutions, and thereby prevent their sullying the image of Hinduism.

Under Secular Nepal, we may finally have the chance to restore Hinduism, and thereby Pashupati Nath, Bagmati & Sali Nadi, to their pristine glories and coexist peacefully (more than ever before) with other religions and cultures?

Have you thought along these lines at all guys?

May Pashupati Nath give you the inspiration to think along these lines as well!
 
Posted on 05-20-06 3:21 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Ok dude !!Btw u are not hindu rite?U have been treated very unequally .i am sorry for that.
" If you look at the hilltops in and around Kathmandu, you can see more lavish and more modern Buddhist gombas and monasteries outshining the shive lingas and tridents. This is only a sneak preview of things to come! When the Tamangs / Sherpas/ Gurungs/ Tibetans decide to celebrate a “Lhosar” on the same day (attempts have been made in this direction), then “Lhosar” will truly be a “national” festival, and help forge a pan-aadivasi-janjati solidarity. It is only a matter of time. "
So that was the real beef out here. Ok i give u that lets not make dashain Our national holiday we should make lhosar.Happy!
yes , may be people have taken advantage out of it but hinduism itself wasn't bad.And naming Hindu wouldn't have been such a bad idea.MAy be u were not proud but i was .But now its gone then gone.WTF.
 
Posted on 05-20-06 4:32 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Imi, my mother is a converted Hindu, until recently a loyal member of Nepal's district chapter of Hindu Bishwo Parishad. she is still a hindu.

well, my mentioning the Buddhist gompas coming up on kathmandu valley hilltops and what not is my own twisted way of saying that the hindu shrines (shiva lingas and rusted tridents) on hilltops in and around kathmandu valley have languised under the so-called "Hindu Nepal," whereas there have been an reawakening of interests in "Buddhistism". the monies that the pashupati nath temple and countless other temples received were not put to good use: just look at the polluted bagmati river/sali nadi, etc. bagmati is not a river, my friend, it is a sewer!!! where did all the monies go? different sects of buddhism have put their money to a much better use: to assert their cultural identity and spread the message of peace, thus bringing Nepal recognition from the wider International Community.

all i'm saying is that under "Secular Nepal", Hinduism has, paradoxically, languished. I said the pashupati nath temple has become a posterboy of mismanagement, abuse, chakribad, sins, etc - and this has sullied the image of Hinduism. many hindus are fed up of organised Hinduism - of its rituals and trappings, its links with BHP and Shiva Sena, and its "vagyabadi" aspects, as well as its condescending attitude toward other religions or towards its own - the Dalits. may be Hinduism didn't feel any threat under "Hindu Nepal", and thus let its guard down. its own practitioners neglected its good aspects (and allowed the false god-king and its puppets to make mockery of hinduism and milk it for all its worth) and played up its worst aspects (excesses) under Hindu Nepal.

now that Hinduism has fallen from its perch (Nepal is now a "secular" state), may be its practioners will do well to clean up its image in the future. in this regard, under Secular Nepal, hindus may have more incentives to do something positive to salvage its image and reputation from the corrupting clutches of the likes of Bharat Keshari Singh as well as to distance itself from the hindu fundamentalist groups such as shiva sena and BHP .

well, i mentioned sherpas/gurungs/tamangs/tibetans' growing prominence to underscore the fact that it is not as easy as it seems for the hindus to unite against anti-Hindu forces, as Kalki Kapil clamors. This is my direct response to Kalki Kapil who sounds like a hot-blooded Hindu fanatic! let me debunk two Kalki Kapil's misconceptions & knock some sense into his thick stupid skull so that he actually gets it.

1) these sherpa/gurung/tamang/tibetan communities are not anti-Hindu.
2) clamoring for Secularisation of Nepal or granting Nepal a "Secular" status is not an anti-Hindu act. It is merely according equal status to all the religions in the eye of the state or law. that's all.

last but not least, let us clean up some of the prevailing myths about the kathit bygone "Hindu Nepal".

1) That king is an incarnation of a Hindu God: well, he's just bitten the dust!
2) That under "Hindu Nepal", religions have co-existed harmoniously - well under Saddam Hussien we didn't hear as much about sectarian violence in Iraq either (so does that mean that under Saddam these different sects coexisted harmoniously?). "harmonious co-existence" is a term that is bandied about very loosely around here.
3) That aadivashis-janjatis-muslims-christians etc are anti-Hindu: they are non-Hindu sure, but they are not anti-Hindu. so Kalki Kapil's rallying cry makes no sense. he's deluded - he's seeing enemy where none exists!


May Pashupati Nath bless all you guys!
 
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A Sign of coming days.


“THE BHARATIYA Janata Party (BJP) and its allies on Friday strongly reacted to abolishing the Hindu nation character of Nepal by the Nepalese Parliament and declaring it a secular state. Thousands of activists, belonging to the BJP and its allies, took out a march in Sonauli, Thoothibari of Maharajganj district to express their anger at the decision of Parliament. National president of the World Hindu Federation (India Wing) and BJP MP Yogi Adityanath led the march.

They also handed over a memorandum to district magistrate Maharajganj addressed to the President of India. Adityanath directed the party activists to launch a movement against the decision of the Nepalese Parliament. The procession passed through various routes and raised slogans against the Nepalese Government. The Hindu Yuva Vahini, the Hindu Mahasabha and other organisations supported the march.

Strongly condemning the decision of the Nepalese Parliament Adityanath said that it was a deep-rooted conspiracy of international force and said that if Britain and the USA could be a religion-based state with secular identity, why can’t Nepal get the same status.

Adityanath said that whenever Nepal would be secular state, the security of India would come under threat from the ISI and Maoists.

Adityanath criticised the anti-Hindu forces and said that they had become active at the international level and the current decision of the Nepalese Parliament was only an example.

 
Posted on 05-20-06 6:25 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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The BJP and the WHF have no use pointing finger at the Nepali government. The Indian government is not going to listen to these militant fundamentalist Hindus or the party or organisations they are affiliated to. These entities are a disgrace to the ENLIGHTENED MODERN SECULAR INDIA. Their relevance is fast disappearing from India itself. The fanatical Hindus are exposing themselves for who they are: religious bigots, supremacists, promoters of the apartheid in south asia, one based on caste!

These guys are raising the spectres of ISI and Maoists. Well this is nothing new. It is not like we didn't have ISI and Maoists under HINDU NEPAL.

The Indian government does not have the moral authority to interfere in the matter of whether Nepal should be a secular state or a Hindu or a Buddhist or a Muslim or a Christian state, since India itself is a Secular State, and thank God for that. Moreover, India-protected country Bhutan, too, is on the way to becoming a secular state. Nepal is not alone in this.

So I don't see how the Indian government will exercise leverage on this matter over Nepal. Since India is a democratic country, it was natural for it to support our government's latest declaration (which brought powers to the people). But since India is itself a secular state, it would not be natural or right for it give in to these fundamentalist Hindus's pressures. If the current government (say Congress) of India gives in to these guys even an inch, this party are gonna write its own demise at the next general election.

Of course, I have no doubt the Nepali government will ignore the calls of these BJPs and WHFs - lest they drag Nepal into a greater "shit-hole" they are currently in. Nepal is rising, the hindu fundamentalists are sinking, and are now grabbing desperately at a straw.

Did you see the Indian government raise a quota for the backward castes in medical schools? This is an example of the enlightened India!

In short, this is nothing more than a lame BJP ploy to stage a comeback to power in India.

If they have to depend on an event happening in Nepal to stage a comeback, how hopeless must their situation be. This is anybody’s guess!
 
Posted on 05-20-06 8:37 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I am with you kalki kapil.
 
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To karmapa.....when a tibetan lands in a foreign country with Nepali passport he then starts callin himself tibetan
 
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kramapa brother , u are underestimating the gravity of situation.This world is not utopia.Peace.
 
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Go on Karmapa---prove them wrong by giving nice clarification against the allegations. You carry your point among the sajhaites.
Just take the edge off their argument that it is not good to declare Nepal as a secular state. GO O N!! Buddy.
 
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Satah,
Hush! Are you stupid to bring that small of an issue. Is your brain that small. Let me get down to your level and say : How about the dalits getting tired of being mistreat and convertng to Buddism? How about when a poor is helped by a missioner giving gim shelter, food and a hope and you still bitch about Christian coming and trying to convert. Where were you when the Christain is the ONLY one helping the poor?
So think big and post something meaningful.
Karmap, RIGHT ON. I'm with you.
ImI, can you expalin the gravity?
 
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Hello my fellow Hindus,

We are human being, religion did not create us, we created religion, if we are human being we should be thoughtful, why do need Hindu nation, which we did not have prior
2019 BS, King Mahendra and his Chamche created Nepal as Hindu Nation in order to get sympathy from Indian Hindus, have you seen in Gorkha, all the Muslim brother and sisters Participated Dyaushikhel, they work together, live together, even our country was Hindu Nation, matter fact, recently when Gyanendra went to Dakshin Kali with Pancha Bali, I was shocked, if he was incarnation of Vishnu, he would have protected those animal from sacrificing by the Priest Bahaman, for stances, Kali Temple of India, only offered Naibet whereas we offer Bali in our Kali Temple, what is this is killing is Hindu. I assumed you have loose those previllege, so called higher caste, those of your
who have been using your Hinduism as political tools have gone to wind, no more Baje
now on Bahuni can get married to Sarkee, this all about seculars state.
 
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Its funny to read Kalki Kapil that Hindu religion is removed from Nepal. The religion is neither removed nor banned. You can practise Hindu religion as much now as much you did before.

When there are Muslims, Buddhists, Jains and even Christinas existing in Nepal, why the country is to remain as " Hindu State"? It must be a secular state.

India where majority population are Hindus is officially a secular state.
 
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Nepal should be a hindu state. There was no equal status given to all other religions too. So what was the need now to make it secular? We should raise a voice against it. How can they do whatever they like and then say " anyone who opposes that will be left behind"?

Please guys think about all this. It is going in favour of the present Indian and american govt and also Maoists. It is leading to a state of no return. A change that is not in the spirit of the people and the history of the nation may lead to drastic steps forcing mass migration. Think what happened in Russia.
 
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First of all, Why the hell should we be amazed with the results? Leave the whole sitution the way it is. I mean most of who write in sajha has privilage to be from proper family and resides oversea. What can be the maximum result? More bloods, well let it be. If the people of Nepal wants that fine. Who the heck are we to talk and be judgemental here? Have u participated well in bringing new changes in Nepal. How of your relatives actually broke their bones and lost their life?
Well shut the crap up? There is nothing you and I can do. You are just like father who talks big about new and big Nepal without having proper prespective. Learn to either be neutral like me, wait for the proper time be oppurtunist and grap it. Well in other hand just dont talk big about Nepal. First Manage Your own life then think of Nation.I havenot actually seen bigger PHD's talk on Sajha for while. Is rest crap talk left for dogs like us to feed ourself in leftovers.I think, we should start to learn to adapt the oversea life or go back to nation be ready for smaller and smaller worst possiblites. You have no rights to talk like morons including me. WELL OTHER DAY MY DAD WAS SAYING" NEPAL IS GREAT COUNTRY, WE NEED TO PRESEVE OUR CULTURE WITH NEW VIEWS AND IDEAS". Great dad! now how many favors are u gonna get from KP Oli and Madav Nepal, your old mates. Well congrats dad! You first meeting is passed with Steak House to open grand argentine steak house in Nepal. Serving first time corn feed and natural grass feed (La Pampa) beefs. It's not big sin to eat beef, yes i use to eat beef.
TODAY I CAN SAY....RELEGION IS FOR PPL WHO ARE AFRAID OF HELL BUT SPRITIUAL IS FOR PPL WHO HAVE BEEN TO HELL.
I AM ONE OF THOSE WHO HAS BEEN TO HELL AND WANT TO GO BACK AGAIN TO EDUCATE THEM ABOUT HAPPINESS AND JOY IN PROPER LIFE OF SIMPLICITY.

YETA HERYO UTA HERYO......GHAR MA CHORA CHORI, AMA RA BAU KO KE CHA HAALAT MATLAB CHAINA, THIS IS LIKE ALCOHOLIC TALK.

anyways, so how many leaders are going back to reform nation. How many are here to actually use real press freedom to talk wrong doing about present leader and moaist? How many are here honestly to hang themselves for Nation for future? How many belives even factories will closed, Nepali janta (majhdur) labour can run it without owner? How many are ready to go back and work as small potato? How many of you can take humilation?

WELL YES, I CAN ..................STILL SURVIVING IN HUMILATION AND NEED MORE HUMILATION COZ TODAY I KNOW TALKING BIG SHIT DONT MAKE SENSE.

ACTION SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS........................

HOPEFULLY, phd's and graduated of sajha are listening to this drug addict.

TODAY I CHALLANGE U TO COME AND FOLLOW MY PATH TAKING HUMILATION AND WORK IN NEPAL ............THEN I WILL RESPECT YOUR GRADUATION.....

FOR ME U GUYS ARE ONLY GRADUATED NOT EDUCATED...........YOUR GRADUATION DEGREE IS NOTHING BUT TOILET PAPER FOR ME......COME AND TALK EDUCATION FROM YOUR HEART NOT GRADUATION FROM YOUR INTELLECT.

PROUD TO BE RECOVERING ADDICT..............

UHI RECOVERING ADDICT
MONEYMINDED
 
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Why worry about "Hindu Nation" or Hindusim?


When you need Democracy and Human Rights.......

You know that you must respect EQUAL OPPERTUNITIES and RIGHTS and SHARE LOSS AND PROFIT with other people.

Democracy means that you step down.... you give away..... you share...... you respect other..... you be nice to other..... you become civilize and fit into community for common or majority or national interest.

It was really bad politically and democratically while calling Nepal as a Hindu nation. It was totally un-Democratic.

So we must educate or Learn to live like Civilize people and Democratic people.

Talking about Peace, Democracy, Human Rights and Politics is nothing than waste of time and street gosship.

We have to act and impliment Democracy and Human Rights within each of us and everyday of our lives.
 
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Karmapa has given an open hearted opinion based on logic and reality. The concept of a Hindu Nation never benefited the mass but only the select few in the upper crust of the society. When the whole nation decided on a democratic form of government, then it should be full democracy and nothing less. It is not at all a democracy when there is a preference given to a certain religion over other. This declaration will now invigorate the feeling of belonging in millions of Buddhist, Christians and Muslims Nepalese.
Enough blood has been shed, and families devastated. We the people of Nepal, have now resolved that no more shall we be deceived, and taken for granted. This is a reawakening for our nation, and we shall all contribute to the glory of the Motherland.
 
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Satash - When an opportunistic Nepali lands with a forged Nepali passport (wherein he calls himself Tashi Namgyal - although his name is Pema Lama and is from Rasuwa) in Switzerland to seek an asylum, why does he call himself a Tibetan refugee. Why? It is easier to fool the Swiss Immigration Officials. Two of my own related (Nepali) brothers (they don't know shit about Tibet or Tibetan culture) have passed themselves off as Tibetan refugees and are now happily working/living in Switzerland. I don't begrudge them their luck! If a Nepali can pass himself off as a Tibetan, what is wrong with Tibetans (even though they hold Nepali passports) calling themselves Tibetans! This has nothing to do with loyalty to Nepal - this is purely economic opportunism. Tibetans - well, the Swiss Govt likes to give asylum to bona fide Tibetan refugees for sure - so why shouldn't they call themselves "Tibetans", no matter the passports they hold. You get my drift?

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Imi, I don't know what you mean by the gravity of the situation. I have not yet seen rallies by Hindu fundamentalists on the streets of Kathmandu demanding that Nepal be a redeclared a Hindu state. So what do a few skirmishes happening in India matter? These India-based Hindu fundamentalists are a minority even in India. They have to engineer killings of Muslims on the flimsiest pretexts to even come to power - so we already know who they are: terrorists in brilliant disguise. They want Nepal to be a "Hindu country" so that they can use this as a leverage to Indianise/influence/milk Nepal for what she's worth. Don't you get it: they see Nepal as a Kam-dhenu (or wish-fulfilling) cash cow. You think Hinduism will flourish under their control! Many guys who are arguing for "Hindu Nepal" are wittingly or unwittingly playing into their hands!!!

Certainly there will be a short term problem, but in the long term, these guys will expose themselves for who they are (if they already haven't): bigots & supremacists!

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Did you know that it is the Sankaracharyas from South India who actually control the Pashupati Nath Temple? How come the Nepali Hindu priests are having to play second fiddles to these priests? When Mr. Pokhrel (a homegrown reform-minded Nepali Hindu) actually does something good, he is taken out! Did he pose threats to these Indian Hindu priests who are given protection by the palace in cahoots with the India-based fundamentalist organisations. Why do you think these India-based hindu fundamentalist groups were/are so eager to make "Gyanendra" the king of all Hindus? Why would paras say "I'm married to India!" to the Indian Ambassador at a reception in Kyrgyzstan? This is something worth pondering.

Even the Hindu guru based in Muktinath (whom my mom looks upto) was not happy with these Hindu fundamentalists - he even had this to say about King's autocratic rule during the protest days: "Well certainly, Muktinath will not protect our King. Only Pashupati Nath may protect him!" Can you decode this statement for me? Probably he meant, certainly Nepali Hindus are not gonna protect this King - may be the Sankarcharyas & India-based Hindus who have controlled Pashupati Nath since time immemorial may!

Certainly, the Nepali Hindu priests have resented the fact that Gyanendra had been highjacked by the India-based Hindu orgs and fundamentalists. Is it any wonder that Nepal chapters of VHP and Shiva Sena have been funded by the Nepali state? Did you see how much money the palace-appointed government had doled out to Bharat Keshari Singh's fundamentalist Hindu group?? Check out the statement of expenses released by Finance Minister Ram Sharan Mahat!! Do you think these monies doled out to the fundamentalists were put to a good use? If they were, would Bagmati hit you with a foulest smell every time you cross the Kupondole-Thapathali bridge? Bagmati is not a river, it is a sewer!!! Bagamti has become a metaphor for what went wrong for Hinduism and could still go wrong under "Hindu Nepal".

Paradoxically under Secular Nepal, Lumbini, birthplace of Nepal, has undergone amazing transformation and gotten global recognition, where as the hilltop Hindu shrines in and around Kathmandu valley rim have languished. Monasteries have outshined them! See, being a "Hindu Nepal" doesn't augur well for Hinduism itself - because then Hinduism gets highjacked by the Hindu fundamentalists (palace, VHP, Shiva Sena, BJP) that always threaten to marginalize reform minded Hindu souls like Mr. Pokhrel. It gets mired in politics and loses its cultural import. It only benefits India-based Hindu fundamentalist groups and their stooges in Nepal. I already explained this above.

You think these fundamentalists guys care about Hinduism - they only care about inciting sectarian / religious violence to come to power. They have engineered many a massacre of Muslims in India to come to power - from Gujarat to Ayodhya. Under Secular Nepal, Hinduism has a chance to cleanse itself and reform itself - so that it becomes palatable to the masses. Even the Dalits are voting with their feet and saying goodbye to Hinduism. "Only Hindus may enter!" sign at Pashupati Nath has pissed off many a tourist. These are not making Hinduism popular with anyone! The fundamentalist hindus are not fooling anyone either.

Hinduism could regain its lost ground ... but sorry guys, under "Hindu Nepal" this is not possible.

Which is why "Secular Nepal" is best for all concerned, including the level headed Hindus!


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